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OP, I know it's not your fault (probably) but that title makes it seem like the killer was found dead. If you had reformatted like: "Man arrested in connection with slain cheerleader foud dead in her mother's bathtub" it could have been made a little more clear. It isn't actually important to the story that the cheerleader was found in the bathtub and the title would have been much easier to understand without that bit of trivial information.
Per this community's rules:
I don't see how either of my suggestions alters the meaning of the title or misrepresents the article. Changing the title, in this case, should be encouraged.
I feel the only reason that the information about the bathtub was included was to get people subconsciously excited about naked bodies. Aka Click bait.
I don't disagree, but this community wants to avoid any editorializing with its submissions. So we should blame the author of the article, not OP.
I think you may be confused about what editorializing is. This isn't changing tone or meaning, just clarifying.
Just so people know the correct definition of editorialize verb - to make comments or express opinions rather than just report the news.
Yeah I had to pause reading the headline too but didn’t want to editorialize it.
Do you know what the word editorialize means? I think you meant edit.
Yeah titles weird, but can’t be changing it to post it even if it’s to make more sense. Everyone would be claiming that to sensationalize every post. Article title was copied verbatim.
It’s probably just accidental, but when I see actual news headlines like this, I wonder if they were purposely meant to be wrong, so that it would confuse and catch your attention, driving engagement. I literally thought they had arrested a dead guy in a tub for my first two scans of the headline. And now I’ve commented on a link to it, etc. it’s just kinda hard to believe it’s accidental since they’re writing professionally, and have tools at their disposal that can prevent this like editors and software checkers.
That said I suppose the other explanation is that they’re using software to produce their stuff, and in such a quantity/so few employees that this kind of weirdness just slips through all the time.
Of course you can change it
Not according to the community rules:
"should", so no. It is only deleted if it misrepresents. Editing the title here makes sense and is allowed.
If you allow an edit here, than I can argue my edit is a correction as well even though it’s misleading and biased.
It’s a slippery slope and there’s a reason it’s a rule in most places that want proper news discussions.
The rule says it can be edited as long as it doesn't misrepresent the article. Arguably it should be changed as the original title is misleading clickbait.
Rules get broken and bent, it won’t be long until this rule changes to no edits to be in line with every other news discussion place.
You don’t edit article titles, sorry you’re just wrong here. Go bark up somewhere else and stop following me into other posts since I called you out.
This is not a breaking of the rules as was posted. It just has to represent the story, which it would (with an edit) better than the original.
I haven't followed you. What are you talking about? You can edit titles according to what you posted. Why are you so insistent?
"Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed"
WON'T being the important word here.
Not a hard concept to follow, a mod can’t be the one making the decision, that allows bias in. The rule is flawed and it will eventually be changed to meet every other news discussion place.
This is the fourth post you’ve responded to my comments in. Don’t play dumb.
Am I allowed to respond to your posts here? I haven't followed anyone.
The rule is the rule. Why are you still debating this? News articles are biased also, as they were written by humans.
Because you’re defending an inherently flawed rule and won’t accept you are wrong, this is no the 4th exchange in as many days.
I’m now blocking you, clearly you don’t understand that concept of good faith discussions, which is incredibly ironic given some of your comments about how mean Lemmy can be.
If you see an asshole in the morning, you saw an asshole, if you see assholes all day. You’re the asshole.
In case that’s not obvious tool you, you’re the latter, not the former. You keep seeing assholes since you are the asshole.
Feel free, you have seen the rule says they can be edited yet you're still responding and cannot admit you're wrong. No interest whatsoever. I don't know what comment you're talking about. Lemmy seems like a nicer Reddit, which I have said before.
Great you've been counting the exchanges, I don't pay attention to usernames and remember what they have said because that's just a bit odd.
In the pursuit of truth and honesty, no, no title should be edited when posting articles. Unless there’s an egregious error.
It’s also a community rule and just general good faithness for discussions.
Whether or not that headline is an egregious error, in and of itself, is arguable. I would say that making it less sensational is preferable to making it an exact copy.
The rule says it can be edited and it will not be deleted if the title represents the article properly.
And who gets to decide it represents it properly? A mods opinion, you know what removes doubt and bias, just not changing it.
But that's not what the rule says. Yes, I guess a mod does, okay?
There is bias in the title as it misrepresents, so...
There’s not a bias, there’s a miscommunication.
What bias is it telling you?
Its the intent of the rule.
The intent is clear, don't edit the intention, it does say it can be edited and you can ignore the auto warning. Just stop already, it's boring.
Fucking weird that the murderer ended up dead in the mom’s bathtub. I wonder if mom killed him?
/j
I know you're joking but the inclusion of the genderd pronoun does make it more clear about who was found in the tub.