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It would be nice if vegans could ever focus on the topic at hand and not reframe the conversation to be about veganism.
I think a much better question to ask is why should we reframe the topic at hand to not include its root origin? It's kind of like asking why people want to talk about wealth Inequality when you talk about poverty: the two are intrinsicly linked together
I don't think they are as intrinsically linked together as the example you gave.
To produce at scale, other animals will essentially have to be seen as solely a means. Factory farming is the inevitable outcome of mass meat consumption. There is not much way around that. Any system like that - rooted in the idea of minimizing other animals' value as individuals - will consistently produce exceptionally cruel outcomes.
To go a bit into the why factory farming is the inevitable outcome.
Let's look at just cattle for the moment. Many often trumpet grass-fed production, but in practice just doesn't scale. For instance, the US would require a 75% reduction in beef consumption just for it to have enough grassland for it. That's while increasing method emissions and also creating high deforestation pressure if we came anywhere close to that. Not to mention the legal and logistical headaches involved in getting all that land
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aad401/pdf
Aren't you looking from the wrong end here? Ban anything but grass-feeding, put high import taxes on beef (the latter should be easy to sell: protect domestic farmers!), and consumption will go down automatically, because the supply drops by 75%.
No one said anything about producing at the current level.
How can you think veganism isnt relevant to a discussion about the cruelties of animal agriculture. This type of thing is specifically part of what vegans are fighting against
I would say that it is adjacent to the conversation.