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submitted 10 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Community members in a Tennessee school district want to banish Satan from their children’s halls after the formation of a new club was announced.

The After School Satan Club (ASSC) wants to establish a branch in Chimneyrock elementary school in the Memphis-Shelby county schools (MSCS) district.

The ASSC is a federally recognized nonprofit organization and national after-school program with local chapters across the US. The club is associated with the Satanic Temple, though it claims it is secular and “promotes self-directed education by supporting the intellectual and creative interests of students”.

The Satanic Temple makes it clear its members do not actually worship the devil or believe in the existence of Satan or the supernatural. Instead Satan is used as a symbol of free will, humanism and anti-authoritarianism.

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[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

That argument would only make sense if god wasn’t the supposed creator of the universe and everything in it. If god created everything, is omnipotent and omniscient then at the moment of creation she would have known every single event and circumstance in that person’s life leading up to making a certain choice and she would have been able to create the universe differently so that a different choice would have been made.

This actually makes my point though.

God knowing everything doesn't mean that God made you make that choice, God let you make that choice, but knew what that choice would be ahead of time.

You still had free will, you still were the one that had the neurons fire off in your brain, and you made the choice. God was able to predict that choice ahead of time with 100% accuracy.

On a side note, I love that you use 'she' for God.

[-] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

God knowing everything doesn't mean that God made you make that choice, God let you make that choice, but knew what that choice would be ahead of time.

If she intentionally chose those circumstances to happen so that the choice would be made that way, which she would have to have done being omniscient and omnipotent then that choice being made is 100% her responsibility.

If I put a child alone in a room with a powered on electric band saw, is it the child’s fault for getting their arm sawed off ? They had free will and could have chosen to not go near the saw. Or is it my fault for putting a child in that situation?

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

If she intentionally chose those circumstances

Why are you assuming she chose them, versus just letting them happen via free will, mapping them out ahead of time, precog style?

If I put a child alone in a room with a powered on electric band saw, is it the child’s fault for getting their arm sawed off ? They had free will and could have chosen to not go near the saw. Or is it my fault for putting a child in that situation?

The childs.

[-] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 3 points 10 months ago

Why are you assuming she chose them, versus just letting them happen via free will, mapping them out ahead of time, precog style?

Because she’s omniscient. That’s the problem with making up an all-powerful, all-knowing god. It comes with some inconvenient logical consequences. When she set up the initial state of the universe she already knew exactly how it would play out (because omniscient), she also could have chosen any other outcome (because omnipotent). It had to be a deliberate decision because as an omniscient being it’s simply not possible to claim ignorance of the outcome, and as an omnipotent being she could have chosen any outcome she desired.

The childs.

Do you really believe this or are you being disingenuous because it doesn’t fit your argument?

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

The childs.

Do you really believe this or are you being disingenuous because it doesn’t fit your argument?

Truly believe it. The child's neurons in the brain fired off, having them explore/examine the saw. You could say the same thing for any object in the room. A child will look at some of them, but not others.

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