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Biden’s Israel Policies Are Still on the Wrong Track
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I don't see how Biden's handling of the Gaza situation is at all a negative for him.
Supporting genocide reflects poorly on Biden's character, values, humanity, and elective viability.
It's entirely possible that Israel's psychotic ethnic cleansing is going to hand the election to Trump who will absolutely pioneer new dimensions of anti-Semitism to unleash on the single issue voters who worried that progressives might choose human rights over supporting Israel's extermination of Gazans.
There are a lot of people who really do not support the idea that we should be funding one country's apartheid and ethnic cleansing of a rival regional ethnic group. Some of them will stay home, some of them will vote Trump not knowing that he's worse.
This is an unpopular opinion you seem to think is popular.
I'm not super concerned with popularity of my opinions. Israel has murdered men,women, babies, and their own hostages while indiscriminately bombing absolutely everything. Israel's behavior is so inhuman It is an existential threat to the state of Israel. That's why we're commenting on an article where people are losing support for Biden because he has been enabling a murderous regime of a rogue state that is engaged in genocide.
Netanyahu needs to go to the Hague where he should be hung until dead and left for the crows. He's no different than Hamas and people are waking up to that.
Elections are literally popularity contests.
Also minor note: hanged until dead. Past tense of hang (execution) is "hanged" for some weird reason.
Are you missing the part where Biden is losing support?
I'm not super concerned with the popularity of my opinions, but the president definitely should care whether or not his choice to indulge a psychotic rogue state's extermination of the native population is going to lose him support domestically. Did you even look at the article?
The election cycle has not even begun. The war will be over and in the rear view mirror, and Biden will not be challenged on his support of Israel, meaning this is a nothingburger.
I understand you are passionate about this, but this is how election cycles work.
You're in pretty deep denial about how important it is for Democrats to at least pay lip service to human rights and international law.
I know that Israel wants to finish the extermination of Palestinians as quickly as possible but if they are allowed to finish Biden will lose the election.
And then you get Trump who thinks Hitler was kind of cool. The article everyone is commenting on is about why this is an issue and your hand wavy dismissive attitude is not sufficient to discharge the very loud very public debate going on about whether or not America needs to indulge every psychotic whim of Israel.
They elected Netanyahu. If they want to do things this way they need to do it without our fucking guns.
Dont bother with this account. I think it is a shell accounts or working for IDF or something.
"everyone who disagrees with me is a shill, and if they're right they're an extra double shill"
Come back to this post in October and let me know how the Gaza debate is blowing up the news cycle
Most Democrats believe that neither human rights nor international law are being violated. Most Democrats believe Israel is.lashing out rather than having an effectively controlled military response, not that they're genocidal.
You're arguing your case to me but that's not what we're discussing. What were discussing is the election. You can see the minority quite clearly by looking at who votes for what.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/house/4355912-israel-palestine-democratic-divisions/amp/
Also keep in mind that, electorily, this will be almost entirely forgotten about by next November.
if you're going to be like that, should probably check first the two words are largely interchangeable.
Be like what?
Yeah, Pro-Israel voters are single issue voters. Everyone else will have multiple competing priorities, and ending a genocide is jockeying for a spot on the list with healthcare, economic equality, education, and human rights at home. Biden might lose the pro-Palestine single issue voters, but they aren't going to show up to vote for Trump, and they don't exist in numbers that will swing any particular state Biden's way.
Until and unless the voters demand a change to our policy in Israel, Biden isn't the sort of "leader" to challenge his supoorters.
Do you really believe the other option will be less genocide?
Not at all. But that's my point. I think the reason Biden is pro-Israel is the same reason every other politician is pro-Israel and why anyone calling for an end to the genocide will not get enough support to get their party's nomination.
There is no help for Palestinians coming from the United States government.
because of the foreign influence campaign? I can think of a few who are... not being bribed...
Of course there is that, but don't kid yourself, there are a lot of pro-Israel voters who really do support whatever Israel does. And as I mentioned, those voters care more about supporting Israel than they care about most other issues. They won't vote for a candidate who doesn't support Israel no matter what, and they vote (and donate) in large numbers in key swing states.
And, like I already mentioned, the voters who don't support Israel no matter what are mostly opposed to the genocide of Palestinians, but that isn't the most important voting issue for those voters. The few voters for which stopping Israel from committing genocide haven't historically voted (or donated) in sufficient numbers to swing any state one way or the other.
The upcoming Presidential election might be the first one where Palestine shows up on exit polls as a priority issue, but since neither candidate is willing to criticize Israel, it's hard to predict where those voters will take their votes, other than home.