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Genuine question.

I know they were the scrappy startup doing different cool things. But, what are the most major innovative things that they introduced, improved or just implemented that either revolutionized, improved or spurred change?

I am aware of the possibility of both fanboys and haters just duking it out below. But there's always that one guy who has a fkn well-formatted paragraph of gold. I await that guy.

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[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The first Android was made about 1999/2000, I'd read about it in a trade mag just before I was laid off from one company (they provided that trade mag, which is why I know the date). The idea of running Linux for a phone OS was intriguiging at the tomr, as we were doing some Linux testing ourselves.

At that same time (late 90's), we were already deploying full-color Palm Pilots with wifi, and eagerly waiting for the integrated phone models whi were projected to be released about 2000.

I was using a Treo with a touch screen before iPhones existed, and I was a late adopter in about 2003 because I don't do early versions, I wanted CDMA, and didn't want the Palm-like flip cover thing. The Treo was kind of the first bar-type smart phone, just rounded. I used to watch movies on that thing on flights. I kept multiple SD cards so I could swap them out (they ejected from the top, no opening the case, no power cycle).

I (well, my deployment team) had deployed thousands of Palm Pilots with wifi access, and then Treos, which synced to a desktop app, in the early 2000s, probably 5 years before iPhone existed.

It could send/receive emails, SMS, calendar, load all sorts of apps from simple games like checkers to Monopoly. It did GPS and mapping with a third party SD card.

It had a third party office app that is now available on Android. I used a shopping app that could sync to an account online. It could browse the web (though the web browsing was pretty awful at the time). It could send data wirelessly to people nearby using infrared.

It had a camera (a shitty one) that could also do video. It used a data connection with the cell provider. It had Bluetooth, and could send Palm apps to other devices with it.

There were versions that had Windows Mobile on them, they were pretty good.

I moved to Android from Treo in 2009.

Smartphones weren't a new idea, Palm had been on it since the mid 90's, just waiting for the phone tech to be small enough to pack into a Palm Pilot.

Apple never leads, despite what their PR is so good at promulgating.

What they are excellent at is watching the market and timing their entry perfectly, with a product people want, giving the impression that they lead the market. And I don't say this as a criticism, what they do is brilliant, and the products they release are usually good at what they're intended to do.

I really like their design at times. The iPhone, from a physicality stand point, is brilliantly balanced, shaped, sized. Unfortunately iOS just doesn't meet my personal needs.

[-] kirklennon@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

The first Android was made about 1999/2000, I’d read about it in a trade mag just before I was laid off from one company (they provided that trade mag, which is why I know the date). The idea of running Linux for a phone OS was intriguiging at the tomr, as we were doing some Linux testing ourselves.

Android as a company was created in 2003 with no product at all. They started working on a phone operating system in 2005, were acquired by Google, and then had an early prototype Blackberry knockoff in 2006. The iPhone was announced in 2007 so they abandoned the original plans and started making an iPhone knockoff. The first Android phone was released in 2008.

[-] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Smartphones weren’t a new idea, Palm had been on it since the mid 90’s

Apple shipped the Newton in 1993. Well before Palm. And long, long, before shipping the Newton they were talking about hand held computers. The idea that they copied Palm is ridiculous.

Like Palm, the Newton wasn't good enough to achieve widespread market adoption (and Apple recognised that - killing it in 1998).

Sure - iPhone wasn't the first pocket computer and it was a very obvious invention that companies all over the world had failed to pull off for decades. I think Microsoft was the closest - their Pocket PC that was pretty good and they had a massive decade long version almost rebuilt from scratch about to ship when the iPhone came out... But Apple beat them to it and Google followed close behind - reportedly Google's early hardware partners were planning to ship Windows on those devices but Microsoft lost out on the contract negotiations, Satya Nadela said they were just too slow - their hardware partners want to wait for them.

Apple was first to ship a good pocket computer. That was real innovation. Real innovators are the ones that get it right, and being first (to get it right) matters because once it's done once everyone else can just copy your idea instead of wasting time developing and testing dead end solutions to hard problems. The early Android devices for example, looked more like the old Pocket PC or a Blackberry. They probably weren't good enough to be successful. They quickly copied ideas like the software keyboard from Apple, and quickly adopted Apple's open source technology like the WebKit rendering engine.

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