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[-] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 164 points 10 months ago

Is all bad online behavior "trolling" now? Isn't "shill" a better word for someone who is paid to surreptitiously promote something?

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 75 points 10 months ago

Back in my day trolling meant something. It meant you cared enough to actually form a real argument that withstands scrutiny, just to setup for the rug pull. The better your polemic, the more engagement as people debated if you were for real or not.

Shitposting controversial hot takes or dog whistle memes is mid af, do better

[-] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

From my understanding trolling meant exactly what it says it is: Trolling. I think people for some reason get this mixed up with trolls - as in the fantasy type monster. But I think it actually has to do with the fishing termtrolling where you cast out your line, and see if you can get somebody to take the bait. Once they take the bait, you take em for a ride.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 0 points 10 months ago

Actually, that's also where the name of the mythical creature comes from. They'd set up bridges that offer convenient shortcuts as bait for humans

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

From my understanding trolling meant exactly what it says it is: Trolling. I think people for some reason get this mixed up with trolls - as in the fantasy type monster. But I think it actually has to do with the fishing termtrolling where you cast out your line, and see if you can get somebody to take the bait. Once they take the bait, you take em for a ride.

When the word is used on the Internet it's meant in the fantasy monster way. Specifically it comes from the story of the troll underneath the bridge, interfering with people trying to cross the bridge.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

polemic

po·lem·ic /pəˈlemik/ noun a speech or piece of writing expressing a strongly critical attack on or controversial opinion about someone or something. "his polemic against the cultural relativism of the Sixties"

[-] sour@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago
[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

No, all bad online behavior now is “bots.”

At least that’s how people in the comments on lemmy and Reddit label them.

[-] MelastSB@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Shut up, bot!

Edit: Shitty typo

[-] PoolloverNathan@programming.dev 12 points 10 months ago

He'd probably need a strong sphincter muscle to manage that.

[-] MelastSB@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Lol, how did I miss that

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

No, all bad online behavior now is “bots.”

At least that’s how people in the comments on lemmy and Reddit label them.

I, and others, have distinguish between shills and bots.

Usually people use shilling as an alternative to astroturfing by paid human beings, while bots are just AI/programming posting.

[-] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Shill is a banned word on reddit still right?

[-] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago
[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There's no way it's a banned word. /r/neoliberal has a "neoliberal shill of the year" award where they vote for their favorite economist based on social media posts, books released that year, etc.

There was a time when you'd get hit with a [Removed by Reddit] for calling people shills but that was a while back I guess

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Is all bad online behavior "trolling" now?

People like throwing buzzwords regardless of their meaning.

[-] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

it is not "now". It is exactly as it was being used in 2020, when the article was written, by the mass media. They were calling "troll" everyone they were disagreeing with.

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