122
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 21 Dec 2023
122 points (97.7% liked)
politics
19120 readers
2095 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Very smart move, surprised to see it happen over there in California. All these things do is divide, period.
If you consider black history month divisive that says more about you than black history month.
Black history month is not just for black people.
Cultural celebrations are a part of history. During Black History month you can do such awesome things as learn about The Tuskegee Airmen, Chuck Berry and other legendary artists who created rock n roll. In my town, there are local restaurants that celebrate with seasonal food that is bomb. Sharing your culture is human, and black culture is a huge part of American culture, all cultures that join the melting pot are. Spread the love, the season is for everyone.
All I want to say is that if you think it was Black History Month that taught people about Chuck Berry, you're for one thing clearly born after Back To The Future came out. Dude was a legend. The other dude has a point: you don't have to ONLY learn about black achievements during BHM. It should be all the time. But instead y'all jumped on the guy assuming he meant we shouldn't teach black history AT ALL.
People get born later as time goes on. Don't see why that means I have to learn about Chuck Berry from a movie.
Don't worry about them. They have no reading comprehension. Your argument is we shouldn't segregate when we teach black history, it should just be a part of all people's history that we teach all of the time. You're not advocating for less black history, if anything your advocating for more. They just want to get offended.
What is this article replacing it with? A month about oil and the civil war? Does that sound more culturally enlightening to you? We can read, we just enjoy black history month. Why is that a problem?
Republicans: *Make it illegal to teach Slavery and Black History." You: Celebrating Black History is Divisive!
I hope you don't live near a school with Republicans being some of the most Violent Mass Killers in America (Right Wing Terrorism vs Left Wing Terrorism shows you this!)!
This u?
Open your goddamn eyes, black peoples are still disenfranchised and are affected by bigotry and hate, from both the institutions and plain old ~30+% of their countrymen.
The fuck you mean tHoSe DaYs aRe GoNe? You sound like the fascists in this nation trying to reframe history and muddy the waters with “that was then this is now” bullshit.
Fuck off
Yep that's him. I became aware of him yesterday when he told us all it's not the 50s anymore, so no queer people are afraid of coming out anymore. This guy's handle should be _confidentlyincorrect_65837.
Good point, I just realized the dude is just a throwaway account to spew his fascist talking points lul.
Out of curiosity, do Christmas decorations/advertising divide?
But muh happy holidays
Celebrating a minority class that has been persecuted for generations by the peoples and states of this nation… all that does is divide?
By that logic we should just deport every black person, would that make you feel better? You’re essentially trying to advocate for the state to pander to these white nationalists and bigots, THEY’RE the ONLY ones that would feel divided by something like black history month
You disgust me, no surprise you’re also a Zionist going by your comments
Huntington Beach is swinging red hard in recent history. I'd call their current changes 'questionable'.
They ignored COVID19 vaccine and mask mandates, sued California for trying to make them zone their share of more housing due to the lack of affordable housing crisis, dissolved the long-standing human relations committee (created essentially to ensure everyone is treated equal regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and disabilities), is trying to make IDs are voter polls mandatory even though it is against California law, have been removing books from the city's libraries involving se LGBTQ+ themes as well as sex education 'to protect the children!!' and of course to withdraw from the Orange County Power Authority -- a renewable-energy focused provider for some reason.
Moser (D), a council member, asked Van Der Mark (R), another council member if they were a holocaust denier and if she had any association with the Proud Boys. The Republican side of the council (the majority) censured Moser due to this.
The context of this was due to Van Der Mark's publicly posted playlisted on YouTube titled "Holocaust Hoax?" and 'accidentally' posted it. Van Der Mark claims it was simply for research purposes. Also of note, there is a segment of Proud Boys and others that held a "White Lives Matter" protest in recent years at Huntington Beach and Van Der Mark was in a picture with Kyle Chapman, a leader of the Proud Boys, on a FB post. She also attended an anti-Islam event and was pictured standing just behind Johnn Benitez wearing a Proud Boys uniform and posed for pictures with other Proud Boys.
According to the ADL, she also referred to black people in YouTube comments as "colored people" as well as that they "dutifully did the bidding of Jews" at a white privilege workshop in Santa Minica.
Of note, she has said that she is not a holocaust denier but as far as I know hasn't specifically said that she has no ties to the Proud Boys.
This is already too long but this could also include her predecessor, Tito Ortiz (R). Ortiz named her their successor after quitting due to 'media pressure' due to their support of the Jan 6 Capital Attack, boycott of a burger place that wanted him to wear a mask (and as I recall a really cringy video that he recorded during it) and same again at a library.
That's not directly relevant to the above but just to be clear they are both (Van Der Mark and Ortiz) a shitshow.
Regardless of the issues above, Huntington Beach seems to be signaling that they are essentially a California MAGA stronghold in regards to how the GOP council members campaign and in their political agenda that they've been pushing forward.
Lol that burger place was TK Burgers, best burgers on So Cal. My brother worked there for years, and I got to know the owner pretty well. Everyone that tried to "enforce" that boycott was laughed off the street.
HB has always had a sizable population of whackos and morons. There was a full on riot on Main and PCH years ago during the US Open when some dinguses got into a fight, and bunch more decided to pile on and started knocking over portajohns. Skin heads wander about unopposed. The locals that surf the pier are some of the biggest territorial douchebags I've ever met. I can keep going, but fuck HB, place is a cesspool of room temp IQ nitwits.
I don't mind history months separating the racists from the rest of us. I don't like to let em blend into society if possible.
Every year I read interesting articles that spring up online and also are put out by my employer during black history month. It exposes me to viewpoints I might not chase down and expose myself to on my own. I come away from it feeling like I have a bit of a deeper understanding about how our country's past continues to impact the experiences of black people today in the US.
At no point have I felt excluded for being white, nor threatened by what has been shared. If you have been, that says way more about you than it does about black history month.
Right. Of course not. That's not the issue. The issue is that minority history months treat the minority history as something separate from 'normal' history. Instead minority histories should be taught as an indistinguishable part of the respective time period.
The fact that you didn't learn those new things in history when you were in school is the problem. That's where the solution and proper equity is to be found.
And this is an argument to fundamentally sacrifice the good on the altar of the perfect. Would it be better that minority positions, accomplishments, and experiences were taught as part of broader curriculums? Of course--but they're not. Doing away with Black History Month doesn't address that, because the alternative isn't a broader solution, but to simply do nothing. BHM is a bandaid, but if you rip off the bandaid, it's still a wound. With the bandaid there at least we're forced to acknowledge the wound.
Similarly, giving away cash in the form of loan forgiveness doesn't solve the problem of greed in upper education, but it does alleviate pain felt by an entire generation of working Americans. This is a perfect example of the problem: the fascists blocked the relief, and then what happened? Did we muscle down as a society and get to work on the difficult problems of moving higher education away from the current profit-motivated model? No, of course not. What happened instead? Right: Nothing happened. Tuition is still reprehensibly high. The only difference is that the last generation of borrowers continue to suffer, just like the next will.
The point is, BHM is not an alternative to systemic policy changes to address historic racism and other discrimination: it's a stopgap, and lobbying for its abandonment isn't lobbying for a societal pivot to more effective ways to address the problem. It's lobbying that black history not be taught at all.
Since that problem has not been fixed and is actively getting worse in recent years, I'm going to continue supporting Black History Month (and Pride Month, and and and...)
That's fine on it's own.
As long as it doesn't take away from fixing the actual problem. The way student loan forgiveness eclipsed trying to actually control higher education prices.
You come up with a solution to fixing the actual problem, I'm all ears.
Though if I'm completely candid, I find it a bit annoying that you've taken the time to wag your finger at me for this entire conversation over a problem that is arguably decades or even centuries old because I say I support and will continue to support black history month.
That’s a similar argument as “but ALL lives matter”. Nobody is saying black/queer/women history is separate from history. The month is there to highlight parts of history that would be forgotten otherwise, or that people feel convenient to ignore. We need to celebrate our differences, and adding a day/week/month to the calendar does it.
So you want schools... teaching.... "critical race theory"?
Yes? Probably? It depends a little on why you're using quotes. I assume you don't mean the literal academic theory. And instead mean some kind of more reasonable version, of what Republicans and conservatives seem to mean (and irrationally fear) when they use the term.