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[-] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There was a lot of poor choices working in concert to allow this accident to even happen, but based off the article there was nothing maliciously stupid, or grossly negligent in the context of rural southern AZ.

[-] Iamdanno@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 2 years ago

What does that mean? Negligence is not a regional concept?

[-] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The difference between negligence and gross negligence is quite significant, and contextually dependent.

This family lives near the border in a rural desert, which is typically flat, open, and sparsely populated.

ATVs are a pretty common way to get around, even for younger kids, and so is target shooting.

Poor choices were clearly made (negligence), but nothing either party did was done with a reckless indifference and disregard for life or property (gross negligence). At least, assuming no other facts come out that significantly alter what was said in the article.

If this same incident occurred in the middle of an urban, or even suburban, city with a medium to high population density, then it would be grossly negligent to have kids on ATVs, or to shoot .22 caliber air rifles.

Context matters.

[-] HardNut@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Not sure what op meant, but there's a lot of angles that I can see it being true. Having a shooting range on personal property is very different in rural Arizona than places with higher population density. The risk is objectively not as large. The space makes it unlikely to hit anything you wouldn't want to target, and it's very ingrained in gun culture to be smart about what direction you fire.

They may have also been referring to accepted risk vs freedoms. Gun people understand that there's a risk to owning guns, but it's an acceptable risk because they value guns, much like how people understand the risk of traveling by vehicle yet still choose to.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

it’s very ingrained in gun culture to be smart about what direction you fire.

This is one of those things where 99% of people I see online say it, but like 10% of people I know in real life actually practice it.

Like wearing protective gear on a motorcycle

[-] HardNut@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

That's interesting, when I look online, most people seem to think all gun owners are totally careless. I say it because I've lived in that culture before, everyone where I'm from has their hunter's safety training and I've never been out shooting with anybody did it carelessly.

Is this your impression of friends/acquaintances of yours that shoot or have you taken part as well and seen it first hand?

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

When I'm in online conversations it's responsibility and gun safes and trigger discipline.

When my friends get drunk it's "let's go shoot rocks from my deck"

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