Must Watch Video on why the Star Wars Fandom Hates LGBTIAQ+ People (www.youtube.com)

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Amazing video produced by Jessie Gender along with a group of creators whom many of them are from the ** LGBTIAQ+ community** .

I knew from my anthropology class many years ago that George Lucas borrowed concept from the The Hero with a Thousand Faces.

What I did not know is that the author, Joseph Campbell is:

A misogynist
An antisemite
Didn't research properly

This explains why the hero must be a (white) men.

Carl Jung's theory about collective unconsciousness and archetypes are also outdated and discarded by psychology.

The archetypes reduce women to "mother", "Goddess". etc. but never the hero.

Also, since Jung's theory categories people neatly into archetypes, those who does not fit social norm (LGBTQIA+ people) were never represented.

When the creation is based on such shaky foundations, no wonder the Star Wars fandom turns out to be racist and misogynist.

Btw, do you know who else's book borrows heavily from Jung? Jordan Peterson.

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[-] jarfil@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

cease and desist letters from her lawyers. (I got one. I was 16)

Ouch. I'm sorry, didn't know that.

I binge-read a lot of the books in the late 1990s, but didn't engage with the online fandom. My interpretation was that it depicted a degenerated advanced society that got forced into something like a Medieval structure because of the Fall, with the Southern continent being a chance to escape it and build something different.

Based on IRL observation, it looked plausible that in a world plagued by regular extinction level events, people would fall back to the minimum required for survival.

[-] frog@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

I think it's definitely one of those series that looks worse in hindsight - and when we're adults - than it did in the 90s. But like... it's one thing to write a society that, due to external factors, has a definite class system, but quite another for the author to reinforce it through their choices - like defaulting to only gold and bronze dragons being worth anything. There were many parts of the narrative where a rider didn't need a bronze/gold dragon for story reasons (would the events of Dolphins of Pern have been any different if T'lion's dragon had been green or blue rather than bronze? Would Menolly's story have been any less compelling if the majority of her firelizards had been green or blue, rather than a largely ignored minority?), so the choice to make sure that a character who is supposed to be sympathetic has the "best" dragon/firelizard colour is very much classism on the author's part, albeit through the metaphor of an alien species with a caste system.

[-] jarfil@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

Agreed. I mostly ignored all of those aspects as part of "suspension of disbelief"... and probably read the books too fast to really reflect on much of the stuff. Also read some of them translated, and others in English while still learning it, so probably missed a lot of the nuances both ways.

With hindsight, what I think looks the worst, is learning that she would C&D anyone for not interpreting them "the right way". That's low.

[-] frog@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

With hindsight, what I think looks the worst, is learning that she would C&D anyone for not interpreting them “the right way”. That’s low.

Yep! Especially since most of the people she was threatening were kids. I know there was at least one person, slightly older, who fought it and the matter went to court. I've always wondered what the judge thought, having to make a decision regarding an old lady suing a 20-something woman over fictional dragons being depicted in the "wrong" way. The fan won the case, probably because the whole thing was ridiculous.