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You seem to be side-stepping the whole "Europeans bought and bred humans" part.
No I'm not, that has just absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they where sold by Africans. I said that this is a different part of the story and definitely not good either.
I think the fact Europeans enslaved people have very much to do with the OP's claim that replacing direct enslavement with debt peonage at a later date more than made up for not only the original enslavement but later colonialism.
Blaming an oppressed group for their own oppression is not a good look.
You keep trying to put shit into a comment that was never in it. Thats called framing and false facts.
Oh and paying African countries mostly funds terrorism and war lords, so not paying is more helpful.
Wow, that's a whole new level of racism than I've ever seen.
Say, who established those borders you claim are constantly at war?
Any chance those were arbitrary lines ignoring local history and cultures by the people OP thinks did nothing to owe reparations over?
So stating facts is racism because they may hurt your feelings? Bro are you perhaps a little stupid?
So now your racist views are facts, are they?
They geopolitical equivalent of "...they'd just spend it on drugs." isn't you revealing your underlying racist assumptions, its a universal truth?
How 'bout that.
Bro its literally proven that most money doesn't do good for the people there and just funds Warlords and Slavery.
Also its questionable how some country is even entitled to get money from others for something that happened more than a lifetime ago.
You've almost got racist bingo with your talking points there, maybe you should keep going.
You are very toxic and your interactions with others show you are following a playbook of smearing and characther assasination, I'm just responding so that no one else takes you seriously.
I would not be surprised if you actually are racist since you accuse everyone of that when you realize they are not radicals like you.
I just said racism was bad my guy.
You're the one who engaged in the exact behavior you complain to everyone about.
Why did you downvote a "Sorry your dad died" post anyway? That's not very Hank Venture of you.
sure racism is bad except for the races you disapprove of...
like i said, if you start going back on my comment history to downvote stalk me dont be surprised if i do the same to you in response. you will probably deny it but FaceDeer had pointed this out already in this thread. i have made this clear a few times already but I get why you pretend to not understand, just like you keep saying i am complaing about it when i have never done and i'm just complaining about the alt account..
Where are you getting that? I told you explicitly that wasn't me.
I called you an asshole, here, to your face and you decided the behavior you claim to hate is ok when you do it all while not getting back at whomever it was you did (allegedly) downvote stalk you because that's a different person.
Now, I don't give a shit how much you downvote me because internet numbers are no more real than crypto is, but involving someone dead dad in your temper tantrum is really uncool behavior.
Bro stating proven facts isn't racism, your walnut brain may not be able to compute that but its still a fact.
Are you still on this?
I thought we all dropped this yesterday.
Everyone already gets how racist you are; you efforts are in vain on that front if you're trying to convince anybody else.
Ratio...
And fuck you im living in a different time zone.
I just hadn't seen anyone roll in this particular shit pile for going on 24 hours now.
Timezone irrespective, don't you have anything better that show an annoying faggot how big of a racist you are? Even OP dipped out last I checked.
We have lives. just because some people, totally not you have the time to stalk me i am not going to stop living.
I don't know how many times I have to tell you I don't know who "FUckZima" is. This thread is the first time I have ever seen your posts and I'm not the only person to reply that that just from this thread we can understand why someone would hate you.
I find it interesting you consider brigading in response to an assumption you have zero proof for is fine but when whoever it is did it to you for whatever reason it was they chose to do it for (I still suspect you are your own stalker and like attention) you had to complain to everyone about how unfair people are being to you and your shitty shitty opinions.
You still haven't faced how fucked it is to involve bereavement wishes in your temper tantrum, but I would suggest you work on being a better person.
Man, delete your account and let people live in peace. You are insufferable.
Yet you keep coming back for more of me.
Sure seems I'm sufferable to me.
You keep trying to inverse/distort my claims. What is this fabrication about debt peonage? How does it relate to my actual statement?
I think he assume you read the comment he put in his comment when you where commenting. Which is pretty short and this is it:
"They paid the moral debt with interest when they forced Africa to stop enslaving their own people to sell them.
Anyone who doesn’t know this is unqualified to speak about it or is being dishonest."
I do get your point which was europe had stopped doing slavery themselves (tacitly given peasants, indentured servitude, wager slavery [which under globalism increased greatly]) but were fine buying them as a commodity and then just deciding they can commoditization the whole race given how different they looked (one reason natives were not enslaved on that scale). Thing with commoditization slavery is it really treated slaves like a commodity and was more brutal than the type of slavery taking place in africa and more seen in history. For anyone or anyone I am in no way condoing or endorsing slavery but it is a complicated historical subject but I would rather have been a slave in many cultures than the typical american colony one or a typical dark ages peasant.
I get that my comment was too brief so it can be misunderstood, and gives more room when someone wants to distort it. i ellaborated on it here below but in short I was talking about all the people that actually sailed to africa and went to war with pirates and africans that wouldn't stop ensalving their neighbors. this took many years. a lot of money and many european lives.
I think it comes down to sins. You can't make up for killing someone by saving a bunch of lives. Now it can be a powerful personal motivator but part of that motivator is recognizing it can never be made ok.
I concede the point. I should have said they already paid reparations with those acts of self sacrifice. which is the closest they can get to making things right. at least it seems like a much bigger sacrifice than a payment in cash.
oh well that makes sense. the idea money is going to somehow make slavery alright is crazy to. I likely missed context due to just reading a link to a comment from another thread so I missed a lot since the one person just brought it up.