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The Outer Worlds w/ All DLC free until 26 Dec 2023 4PM UTC
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So it doesn't require the EGS Launcher? It doesn't require any form of Internet connection to install, launch, or play?
With all due respect, if the answer is "it does" to either one of those questions, then that's still a very strong form of DRM.
I mean, you're stuck playing on consoles with version 1.0 if that's your criteria so I don't know why we should care about your opinion of PC launchers.
Not really. On GOG, with most instances you actually own the games you buy.
How do you install a game from GOG without an internet connection?
You download the backup installer after you buy the game. I save mine on an external hard drive.
Ok so how do you download the backup installer without an internet connection?
I never said you could, so that's irrelevant. Don't move the goalposts.
And to be fair, neither Steam nor Epic even allows you to download an offliner installer; GOG does.
`So it doesn't require the EGS Launcher? It doesn't require any form of Internet connection to install, launch, or play?
With all due respect, if the answer is "it does" to either one of those questions, then that's still a very strong form of DRM.`
Guess that GOG is a very strong form of DRM
Not at all.
Of course you require an Internet connection to download the offline installer. How the hell do you expect to get it otherwise? For them to ship a disk to you? In 2023? As awesome as that would be, that's funny.
In any case, downloading it isn't DRM; it's no different than having to go to the store to pick up an item. Lol.
You're the one who said that needing an internet connection to be able to install a game is a strong form of DRM, not me 🤷 But now that I point out it applies to your store of choice too then the goalpost sure is moving quick!
I did say that. You only need an Internet connection download the offline installer (because how else are you gonna get it). Once you have the installer, though, you can install the game completely offline anytime you want.
I never contradicted myself; I was being very clear. You're just being nitpicky and shifting the goalposts repeatedly.
Yeah, you were very clear that needing the internet to install a game is DRM, so as I said, only physical media is DRM free so I don't know why you're arguing about PC gaming since you can only play console games.
Just keep movin' those goalposts, friend.
[Re-commented down here because I was tired as fuck and didn't reply to the right one.]
But I didn't move it though, I just quoted you and you're the one who's trying to pretend it wasn't what you meant... I don't think you understand what "moving the goalpost" means...
You claimed it's DRM-free on Epic.
I disputed this, asking if it requires any form of Internet connection to install, launch, or play the game. Instead of responding to my dispute with actual reasoning, you turned to avoiding the issue entirely by shifting the focus from backing up your claim to making an entirely new claim attempting to discredit my definition of DRM. That's called dodging the issue, FYI.
In other words, if you can't beat an argument, try to invalidate it. Basic of the basics in the rulebook of debating.
Then, when I defined DRM for you, you asked, "How do you install a game from GOG without an internet connection?" I answered by stating you use the offline installer. Which doesn't require an Internet connection to use, meaning you don't require the Internet to install it. You also are not required to have an Internet connection to launch the game or to then proceed to play the game after having launched it.
When I described this to you, you completely ignored that answer and acted like I had stated you do require an Internet connection:
The fact is that downloading the offline installer is not DRM at all. It's an offline, backup installer: you only need to download it once and then you'll have it available whenever you want to install said game. Requiring the Internet to download an offline, backup installer that once you download you never have to download again is no different than requiring fuel for your car or a time expenditure for public transport in order to go pick up a physical copy of a game from a store across town.
In any case, all of this is so completely detracted by this point from the original topic of you claiming the game The Outer Worlds is available, DRM-free, on Epic Games Store, that it's quite frankly become really ridiculous. It's been done to hell and back, as has been my patience with this absurdity of a discussion.
Good day, and be well.
So...
TL;DR of this whole discussion: When I point out that you said that requiring an internet connection is a form of DRM and it therefore means that GOG basically has DRM in place because it requires an internet connection (even if it's just once to download the games, just like for Epic DRM free games) you get mad...
By your definition, the only way to truly own a game and for it to be DRM free is to buy a physical copy and then, as I mentioned, you're DRM free only as long as you don't want a patched version.
Again, quoting you:
"It doesn't require any form of Internet connection to install, launch, or play?
With all due respect, if the answer is "it does" to either one of those questions, then that's still a very strong form of DRM."
If an internet connection is required to install the game, BY YOUR DEFINITION, it's a form of DRM. You still need to download the install file from GOG at least once, which requires you logging in to your account, therefore there's DRM in place. You wouldn't be able to play a game you bought on GOG if you didn't have the data necessary to download it contrary to a true DRM free game.
I said good day.
Yeah, you did...