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submitted 10 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

When the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, it claimed to be removing the judiciary from the abortion debate. In reality, it simply gave the courts a macabre new task: deciding how far states can push a patient toward death before allowing her to undergo an emergency abortion.

On Tuesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit offered its own answer, declaring that Texas may prohibit hospitals from providing “stabilizing treatment” to pregnant patients by performing an abortion—withholding the procedure until their condition deteriorates to the point of grievous injury or near-certain death.

The ruling proves what we already know: Roe’s demise has transformed the judiciary into a kind of death panel that holds the power to elevate the potential life of a fetus over the actual life of a patient.

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[-] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

I've always seen it more that the Roe decision is what happens when an anti-choice majority rules on abortion in "reasonably good faith", leaving the opening for erosion when a 14th Amendment Decision would have been steelclad. I don't think they wanted to appease everyone, they just didn't want to compromise their legal ethics OR their personal morals.

And I guess I don't think it would have been steeclad because Dobbs wasn't about leaning around Roe insomuch as saying "Roe was wrong" because "the fetus is special and should be treated as such" (paraphrase because I'm too lazy to look up the offending line in Dobbs right now). Bodily Autonomy could easily be overturned by a bad faith judiciary by simply pointing out DUI laws, or even "the spirit of drug laws"... OR just saying "the fetus is special" the same as they did in Dobbs.

In fact, call me paranoid, but I question whether the current SCOTUS wouldn't overturn a national abortion protection on States Rights grounds, finding some reason to disqualify the Commerce Clause from being applicable.

[-] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

bad faith judiciary

This is what we certainly have now, given the recent decisions that are based on facts that are somewhere between cherry picked and outright false. Laws and precedent don't, and won't, matter if they're acting in bad faith.

but I question whether the current SCOTUS wouldn't overturn a national abortion protection on States Rights grounds, finding some reason to disqualify the Commerce Clause from being applicable.

They definitely would. And if the Commerce clause is where Congress finds its grant of authority, they wouldn't be wrong. That's why it bothers me every time someone laments that Dems should have passed a law, as if SCOTUS wouldn't have struck that too.

[-] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Exactly. I liked RBG a lot, and/but I don't like the way people keep taking her out of context when making wild claims about what we could or should have done to prevent Dobbs.

Before the 1/6 insurrection was a SCOTUS coup. It happened. And the one thing we shouldn't do is blame the party that wasn't involved in it.

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