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I kinda feel like we hit the point where its either our global production infrastructure or our species seeing this graph.
If we keep going, we won't have to choose! We get to have neither! Hooray!
If we keep going? Brother, the flag-wavers are waving their jesus-hands in the air as we speak to keep it going. Right-wing ‘conservative’ victories guarantee planetary destruction, and we’re all watching it happen.
Load up on guns, bring your friends!
This graph says we probably crossed that line a couple decades ago and we chose production.
I haven't heard of any ultra-rich person who wants to reduce the population. A population decline will lead to stock price declines as the majority of the population ages (automated 401k investments buy and thus increase stock prices, withdrawals from 401k sell and thus decrease stock prices; an older population means less investment and greater withdrawal). Do you have a source for your decrease surplus population claim?
STOP DOOMER POSTING I know climate change is a frustrating problem to solve (to say the least) but holy shit this doomer posting makes it so hard to keep up the momentum necessary to solve it
It is NOT already too late
The way the climate change works, it won't be too late until we're all dead
Stop Doomer Posting
Oh ok, so you acknowledge that humanity's footprint needs to be systematically drastically reduced for the next several generations until we reach a number this planet can sustainably support, and we need to push to end the capitalist global economy that requires infinite growth/metastasis on a finite world with finite resources immediately, in favor of an economic model that revolves around homeostasis/equilibrium, which will require necessary draconian lifestyle changes on all of our parts, right?
For the record, I'm more than willing to. I'm hilariously outnumbered though.
Now go ahead and talk about "baby steps" in the face of accelerating temperature increases. Baby steps are steps that could have made an impact that reverberated into today's consequences half a century ago when we knew about climate change but largely pretended we didn't.
You call it doomerism, but I just don't believe in self-deception to feel better.
We have entered into the flickering phase of many earth systems. Being a realist isn't doomerism.
So if like 95% dies and all the production, transportation, unnecesary consumption etc, it will normalize and we get a do over?
humanity might, yeah. while they would be starting from a less advanced position they would have access to the knowledge we earn over centuries so it wouldn't take as long to get back to where we are now, with the benefit of hindsight this time