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Only outside pressure can stop Israel’s war crimes | Naomi Klein
(www.theguardian.com)
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As I pointed out in the previous comment she is embracing a variety of tactics from direct action to BDS. What exactly would you like her to say? What position should she take in your opinion?
"Backs up their narrative just objects to obvious cruelty"
As for this last sentence of yours I have no idea what you're trying to say
Well, I'm willing to expound on it. A few points off the top of my head.
we will need to talk about the difference between Occupy Wall St. direct action and BDS direct action and actual Vietcong-esque resistance against the occupation
playing resistance olympics, portraying al aqsa flood as being disorganized and fruitless, hezbollah & iran inaction as a betrayal, while simultaneously criticizing iranian funding of ansarallah. calling ansarallah "houthis". implying they are just attacking shipping instead of targeting Eilat & have triggered a capital strike in response
acts like Israeli tactics are a military response to Hamas war crimes rather than war crimes in response to resistance against military occupation
again, does not put too fine a point on the deliberate targeting of civilians and military ineffectiveness. the unsustainability of massive US aid which has even resulted in Ukraine pullback
acts like those military responses are effectively rooting out hamas by not pointing out they are an attempt at genocide & are taking heavy losses
treats israeli settlers as blameless civilians who don't deserve to be pelted with rockets (false, go look at videos of them cheering on bombing of Gaza, they deserve to die)
supports evidence-free zionist claims of atrocities
If you are advocating for a war between Israel and Iran, you have lost the plot.
I have tried several times to read your writing but I can't do it. I guess it's great if you're trying for some stream of conscious thing, but I have no idea what you're trying to say and I don't know what your point is. If you can organize your thoughts into some kind of coherency I'd be willing to try again.
You just ignore anything that gives you cognitive dissonance. You have no idea what I mean by "narrative framing that supports genocide" because that narrative is your entire reality as a liberal zionist yourself.
Israel is going to lose the same way "South Vietnam" and SA apartheid did.
We're not talking about war with Iran lmao, but about their ties to PFLP, Hamas, Hezbollah, Ansarallah. Hamas is not losing to Israel yet. Hezbollah will heat things up more depending on how endangered they are.
"direct action and bds" to do what mfer? to make them tone down the currently unsustainable militarism of the occupation. not bds and direct action to END ISRAEL. which is what is coming next if they don't tone it down. she's trying to save israel, just like bernie. they're all monsters. god damn the liberals to hell
You are delusional if you think Israel is going to end.
The best possible outcome is a one state solution with equal rights and citizenship for all citizens. The two state solution is no longer viable.
Haha, you didn't want to admit you think that, did you? Just wait around and see.
Half a million settlers already disagreed with you like two weeks in. All I gotta do is point out the internal inconsistencies. Klein can't even do that. She's a fucking hack who writes entire books based off wordplay.