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[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Neoliberal austerity would prevent anything like this from happening on a large scale. You can see this with all the concerns about "cost".

The "budget" on these things should be 'infinite'. Spend whatever amount of labor and resources available to build the plant. Instead they focus on short term profits.

No wonder why China is spending more on renewable energy than rest of the world combined. Because China understands money isn't real, they are more than willing to give as much as possible for renewable energy.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social -2 points 10 months ago

Nuclear is not renewable energy.

It’s not even green energy.

Renewables are the superior choice in price and effect.

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

It’s not a zero-sum game and we are in a climate emergency.

As I type this, wind is only making up 13% of grid demand, down from well over 50% last week - which means that gas generation is sitting at over 62% http://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

Nuclear is a reasonable lower carbon way of serving base-load when wind/solar aren’t delivering . I just wish, as with all things climate-related, we had committed to this 30 years ago.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago

And renewables are quicker, cheaper, and lower footprint.

Its a no brainer. People need to let go of ‘50s nuclear romanticism.

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

And once again - it's not a zero-game and we are in a climate emergency. Nuclear is a useful adjunct to renewables and some people need to let go of their 1970s nuclear doomerism.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social -3 points 10 months ago

But we don’t, there is zero benefit to building nuclear today over renewables.

And it’s not doom, it’s common sense. Renewables are better long term and quicker and cheaper to setup today, why take the worse option during an emergency?

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

But we don’t, there is zero benefit to building nuclear today over renewables.

What are your practical proposals for generating 25 Gigawatts over a sustained period on a day like today when there is not much wind and negligable solar generation?

[-] Naich@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

There needs to be a mix of sources, and unfortunately nuclear is the best way to provide a reliable source that can be ramped up or down instantly to plug gaps in supply from renewables.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago

Ramping up nuclear is not instant and is not ideal because it causes more waste by altering the working lifetime of the fuel.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Even then it's preferable to gas

[-] Naich@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They should have been ramping it up 20 years ago. Short-termism fucks us again. Better late than never, I suppose.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago

Gas is not a renewable or green.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

... So what do you when there's no wind or sun?

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