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Unfortunately America is a two-party system, it's baked into how the voting works. Occasionally the identity of which two parties are the two parties changes, but not very often.
However, that doesn't mean that there are only two possible candidates for presidency. The time when it's "safe" to vote for a third-party candidate is during the primary elections. Incumbents like Biden still have a huge advantage in those situations but even so it's a time when protest votes can be cast without harming the end result.
I'm not sure how this relates to my comment, and it feels like a deflection from my point. Can you explain how it relates?
it's just a lie from someone who actually wants the right wing policies of joe biden and doesn't want you to disrupt that
They explained a bit more in a follow-up, and I think I may have misinterpreted them, but yeah ... I'm a bit raw about it, considering the unhinged rant a lemmy.world mod brought into this thread earlier! I think a lot of Democrats are just politer Republicans who want to dupe us into thinking they're actually leftists, and they get super angry when we see the wizard behind the curtain.
my thoughts exactly, especially when "moderate" democrats win and just continue the worst policies of their republican predecessors. politics doesn't just happen ad teh ballot box and we should de-emphasize electoralism as it becomes increasingly useless at stopping fascism
I still vote, but I totally understand why people are disillusioned of the system.
The whole state is rotten. Always has been. We desperately need a real systemic change.
Some people can acknowledge the fact that we are currently stuck with FPTP without throwing tantrums that leads to far right wing policies instead of conservative joe
It was meant to build on your point, not deflect. You were lamenting about how people have to hold their noses and vote for Biden because the only other viable choice is worse. I was pointing out that there are opportunities to vote for who you "really" want, just not necessarily in the presidential election itself.
The Democrats will likely still run Biden because of the incumbency thing, but it's at least an opportunity to vote your conscience and nudge the party itself in a better direction.
Oh yeah, I fully agree! Unfortunately, the vast majority of voters in the US are right-wing. Even our Democratic voter base is overwhelmingly pro-capitalist/neoliberal. So many people brainwashed into voting against their interests. It's genuinely tragic.
And according to this thread letting literal fascists take over is the best solution. But yeah, it is the folks voting against cult45 that are voting against their best interests, sure dude.
I'm sure it doesn't matter to the people being deported and detained in those concentration camps, nor to the Palestinians being murdered by a genocidal state.
Ted Bundy was extremely polite, by all accounts, but no matter how many good acts you commit, if you're committing atrocities on the side, you're still a villain -- and when the choice is perpetually between a far-right party (Democrats) and full-blown fascists (Republicans), how long before we admit that we have an absolute dogshit system, and that we need to replace it?
And there is that good ol' pure bull shit we all knew was going to pop up from those actually wanting cult45 to take over.