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Traffic on the single bridge that links Russia to Moscow-annexed Crimea and serves as a key supply route for the Kremlin’s forces in the war with Ukraine came to a standstill on Monday after one of its sections was blown up, killing a couple and wounding their daughter.

The RBC Ukraine news agency reported that explosions were heard on the bridge, with Russian military bloggers reporting two strikes.

RBC Ukraine and another Ukrainian news outlet Ukrainska Pravda said the attack was planned jointly by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and the Ukrainian navy, and involved sea drones.

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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

People are mean on the Internet? People are also mad at Russia because they've invaded a neighbor. People were calling out "death to America" for invading Iraq. It's how the world works.

[-] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure. But the point is that all those ethnic russians in all three of these regions, who are the majority of the population and were the majority before 2014 by a large margin, all have been pushed to russia because of it.

The political reality in these regions is that while before there were some mixed views on the issue, particularly among those with mixed families, now there are almost none among the majority russian ethnic population. Which is something of a problem if you consider yourself to believe in democratic outcomes.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Good for them. They can move to Russia.

[-] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

And how do you intend to make that happen?

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

They can go to Russia. They don't have to.

What the fuck is your argument here? It seems to be "since some people kinda like Russia therefore Russia invading Ukraine is somehow okay".

[-] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not making an argument. I'm trying to illustrate the reality here.

The majority of the population of these regions are russian ethnicity but were ukrainian citizens, born in ukraine. They used to be kinda split about the issue of separatism, but the constant endless genocidal rhetoric from liberals on the internet baying for russian blood has had the effect of making them support russia.

This is a problem for getting the regions back, because a majority of the population does not want to come back. Solving this is a necessary component of figuring out how to bring them back. You can sign whatever you want on paper saying "these are Ukraine again now" but if the population itself does not agree then the separatist civil war will just immediately restart.

The options available are either getting rid of them all (this is what the current far right faction of ukraine wants), or finding a way to make them want to be Ukrainian again instead of Russian. Saying things like "they can leave" doesn't help. It sounds a lot like what the american far right says about anyone who isn't white in america actually.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

They used to be kinda split about the issue of separatism, but the constant endless genocidal rhetoric from liberals on the internet baying for russian blood has had the effect of making them support russia.

Yeah - okay bud.

[-] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Because it is so hard to believe that the majority ethnicity russian regions of the country might have become more favourable to russia as a result of everyone saying all russians need to be killed! Especially with opposition groups inside russia literally saying that is what has happened, which I already linked to. "Okay bud".

You're just completely disconnected from reality.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Do I intend, to go to Crimea, and forcibly relocate people? No. I have plans this weekend.

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