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The AI boom is screwing over Gen Z | ChatGPT is commandeering the mundane tasks that young employees have relied on to advance their careers.::ChatGPT is commandeering the tasks that young employees rely on to advance their careers. That's going to crush Gen Z's career path.

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[-] Rednax@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Can you elaborate on the "fixed demand" aspect?

From what I know as a software engineer, companies would simply make twice as much software, if their software engineers were twice as efficient. There are always requirements pushed out of scope because the complexity of the solution is growing and growing. The ability to make more complex software solutions with the same amount of engineers is not going to result in less engineers, it is just going to cause more complex software products.

Also note that more engineers has deminishing results due to communication losses. This, along with a fixed supply of engineers seems the biggest limitation to the industry to me.

[-] nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 1 points 1 year ago

From what I know as a software engineer, companies would simply make twice as much software, if their software engineers were twice as efficient.

Only if there's demand for twice as much software. Otherwise, you make the same software twice as fast and with half as much work. Let's go back to the example of accountants. Sure, the demand for accounting work may be somewhat increasing, but with productivity per worker increasing orders of magnitude faster than demand, the overall number of accountants shall decrease. A piece of code a junior programmer writes within a week can be obtained immediately with a tool like chatgpt simply by formulating a clear prompt -- it's not like we're talking about better keyboards which improve your typing speed and therefore increase your productivity by 10% by letting you type code faster, it's actually orders of magnitude!

There are always requirements pushed out of scope because the complexity of the solution is growing and growing. The ability to make more complex software solutions with the same amount of engineers is not going to result in less engineers, it is just going to cause more complex software products.

Again, sure, but wouldn't you agree the technology will some time reach a point where more complexity is redundant? I would argue it's sooner than later, see how smartphones and computers keep improving in their performance, but there are no technology breakthroughts anymore. Is infinite growth even possible?

Also note that more engineers has deminishing results due to communication losses. This, along with a fixed supply of engineers seems the biggest limitation to the industry to me.

Not sure what you're getting at here, so let's go back to your original question: what do I mean by fixed demand of the office jobs.

Doing accounting faster will not land you more gigs anymore, unless you steal some other accountants' clients. Writing longer reports will not make your employer require you to write more of them, unless they fire your colleague who does that too. Going through motions and legal documents faster will not magically give you more legal work, unless a different legal counsel changes industry. Unlike manufacturing in the 1800s, the supply and productivity of modern jobs are not limited by technological disadvantages so much, but instead, the demand for this work is corelated with other branches of economy.

One could argue, in fact it's an ongoing debate where I'm from (Poland): "yeah sure but when we started switching away from coal then miners were supposed to be off work as well and yet they mostly managed to find previously non-existing jobs in newly created industries and the unemployment remained low". Right, but in that case one industry was replaced by another, workers' productivity could be moved to doing something else. This time it's different, because the jobs don't change, the demand doesn't change, instead the supply of labour (via increased, AI-fueled productivity) increases so much, that large part of the workforce is found to be straight up redundant.

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