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Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the European Union over Teams, Office 365
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Seriously, this is so ridiculous: So Slack filed a complain because their chat application looses against Teams?
I mean, Slack could have like innovated and make their application really, really good so that customers choose Slack over Teams because of the value it brings.
Instead they go the legal/lobbyist way and cry because a chat application obviously isn't a forever gold mine.
The EU being technically illiterate and dump enough to play along is even more ridiculous than Slacks entitlement.
(For the record: I don't like Teams, Office, Microsoft, Slack etc... but this is just such an obvious/bullshit lobbyist move.)
Slack did not file a complaint because they're losing. This is what it says in the article: Slack filed a complaint with the EU in 2020, claiming that Microsoft was "force installing [Teams] for millions, blocking its removal, and hiding the true cost to enterprise customers." And this is investigated 3 years later than the complaint. Microsoft has a history of installing bloatware and changing default clients to open with their own software.
I am referring to the motivation for Slack to file a complaint, look at the numbers (50 vs 300 millions) which clearly show that Slack is loosing. Do you seriously imply that Slack is filing their complaint to reduce bloatware? (In that case, I am happy to see Slack starting to debloat their client. :-P)
As I already said, I am no fan of Teams, Microsoft, etc. but IMHO by now everyone grown up can decide what messenger app to install, there is enough competition (Apple, Linux) on the desktop for people who want less/different bloatware.
I am just seriously tired of the EU investing time and energy in this bullshit instead of investing energy in important/useful topic for its citizens.
I don't think you're quite grasping the situation here. Slack does not come preinstalled on any system, Teams does. That is the whole point, unfair competition. Large companies have a history of bullying smaller ones. Any action against these giants is long overdue and very necessary.
I totally grasp the situation. The same could be said about notepad.exe, the File Explorer and everything else that comes preinstalled with Windows. According to the preinstalled logic, Windows should just be delivered with a kernel to even the competition.
AFAIK Slack is a Startup, backed by VC. If we would speak about Sublime Text vs. Notepad.exe, we might have ethical/moral grounds for a discussion.
Edit: ... and just to be more clear: We have SublimeText, Directory Opus etc. - great software from great teams, which can survive although they compete with preinstalled software on Microsoft Windows. If Slack would provide something really valuable, Teams wouldn't have had such an easy play. Same is true for Zoom.
IMO I don't think "convenience" is a fair argument. If Windows did not allow their users to install another client, that would be one thing. But just pre-installing something on their own OS isn't grounds for any complaint whatsoever. You don't get to complain that Company XYZ makes a product A and bundles it with their product B and makes it more convenient for users lmao. Users have the means to install any client they want.