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So.....he waited to make this a reelection issue?
Of course he did. The dems have had many chances to enshrine Roe v Wade in law. They just always decided that holding it over everyone's head as a "look what they'll do if you don't vote for us!" was more valuable thsn doing the bare fucking minimum of the right thing.
When have Dems had a chance to secure it into law? They need the House and Senate, plus the President. When was the last time they had that by not a 1-2 margin? Because margins that tight are asking for assholes like Manchin or Sinema to make it all about them and there are still moderately conservative democrats.
As others said, dem supermajority during Obama’s first term. He campaigned on it, then gave a speech after getting elected saying it wasn’t their highest priority. A few months later Kennedy died and they lost their chance. As an aside, Pelosi should be fucking ashamed for this - but she has no shame.
Could have pushed hard for it during the first 2 years of Biden’s presidency as well, and bullied Manchin/Sinema into going along or losing their seat. But that would mean change, which is the one thing Biden promised he wouldn’t do. And so here we are, another election year, another bullshit campaign promise of something they might do if we elect them again. (Narrator: they won’t do it.)
He campaigned on ACA too and we actually got that. Roe v Wade wasn't a priority as much since it was codified precedent and we weren't in a time when judges just overturned precedents willy nilly.
Were you paying attention during Biden's term? Those two torpedoed any chance at legislation. And maybe they could have brokered a deal but the cost would have been staggering and the rest of the term shot for getting concessions.
Yep we got ACA, Romney’s healthcare plan, but notably without the public option. And guess who immediately gave that concession to repugs, before negotiations had even begun? Genocidin’ Biden.
Roe was precedent, yes, but most importantly it was not codified by law. “Codified precedent” isn’t a thing. Congress is supposed to make laws, and the courts are supposed to enforce them. Congress dropped the ball to pass this absolute layup in 2008, and then just 15 years later women lost the right to bodily autonomy because of that failure.
I find it odd the implication that Congress can’t work on more than 1 legislative item at a time, but ok feel free to make that claim for what it’s worth.
The fact of the matter is this: legislation for this stuff has been drafted and ready to go for decades. It could have been a “day 1 and done” law, as was promised during Obama’s campaign. Dems simply don’t want to do it, so they can do exactly what’s happening in the OP - use Roe as a dangling carrot to coerce voter turnout.
Most recently? The supermajority in 2009. The DNC is not your friend. Neolibs are not your friend. They're simply the least shit option at the moment.
Obamas? that he had for like a month? That he used to try to get ACA passed? Because that's the ONLY one people ever bring up and it's a facile argument.
If you don't think they couldn't have gotten Roe enshrined in law during that, I've got a bridge to sell you. This is absolutely the type of legislation you have written up in advance for day one to immediately force it through if you have any sort of conscious or morality.
72 days. A new congress. A new president. And a MOMENTUS policy change? You're rewriting history. Especially in 2009 when it was much less supported as a law BECAUSE of Roe V Wade. You're just looking for reasons to hate the democrats and this tactic of going back to the short supermajority is sad and transparent.
That was also 15 years ago. Anything before then never would have flown.
Definitely. Think about it: people believed that Roe v. Wade was settled law. The Supreme Court said it was. Why would they waste valuable time making that a law?
Laws take months unless there's a national emergency, and then all other work is stopped. Literally hundreds of people need to write, read, and decide on the specific wording of the text. It's like writing a book by committee, for no reason, at the expense of other issues. Abortion doesn't matter if people don't have healthcare!
So as I was saying, I'll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge for the low sum of $50,000!
And trust me, I don't have to look for reasons to hate the DNC. Them being slightly less shit than the GOP does not make them good. It makes them slightly less shit.
hmm.
the gop wants me dead and eradicated from public life.
the democratic party doesn't. in fact, they want to improve healthcare, education, working conditions, and immigration.
you: both are bad
You might want to read what I actually said
i did. it's still wrong.
you do realize that the time period in 2009 when they had about 6 weeks of a supermajority, they had several anti-choice dems who wouldn't have voted to enshrine roe into law, right??
like literally i'm BEGGING you to take a high school civics class and learn how the legislative branch works.
so it's not the democrat's fault when they don't do anything even when they literally can, and have been able to several distinct times?
They haven't been able to do it. Going back to that short supermajority is drawing from a well giving dust. And when else could they have? When would they have had the public's support before then? People love to make up history to fit their narrative. But it turns out America isn't that progressive, unfortunately. Not until lately.
So 15 years ago?
The only thing that would have prevented Dobbs would have been a constitutional amendment. SCOTUS can overturn anything else.
lol yep. And of course my comment is very controversial because, on lemmy, you must worship all of Biden's actions and never even hint that maybe SOME THINGS he does are bad.
Dems have been over-performing compared to polls by like 9 points since Roe was overturned. They're not gonna give up that kind of advantage to secure women's rights!
It's a reminder that I think a lot of people need. The core of the dem platform is still neolib dogshit. It's absolutely less awful than the gop "platform", and I will absolutely be doing whatever I can to keeo those fucks out of office, but that doesn't mean the dems are your best friend.
I don't even blame the Dems for this. This is the end result of the sort of undemocratic bullshit that's baked into our government. The Republicans have won The Game™ that is our government by controlling most of the land in the country, and thanks to FPTP our only alternative is a feckless coalition run by people who should have retired two decades ago.
We need a reset and we've needed it since at least 1971 but we haven't got it and each year we delay will intensify the collapse.
Good luck everyone.
1971? lol our government has been dogshit since day one. We are founded on genocide and built by slaves. This country has, since day one, been absolutely fucking disgusting.
God damn you people are a bunch of sad sacks.
Acknowledging reality doesn't make you a sad sack.
Being a sad sack makes you a sad sack
Im sorry i offended you by criticizing a single action of your god emperor
Not even sure who you mean.
You're just being a whiny sad sack, is all.
I did say "at least 1971"
fair enough
What county are you talking about? You're going to have to be a bit more specific than that. There isn't a single country out there that doesn't have a disgusting history.
Specifically slavery: millions of victims were brought to the Americas (almost every country), but that was just their final destination. Who brought them? Europeans. Who sold them? Africans. It's a shame of four continents, not just one country.
Dude... How in the ever living fuck, just from the context, could you not tell I was currently talking about the United States of America? This is a comment section about American politics. It's a comment chain about American politics. I'm really trying to wrap my mind around how the hell you got lost but glossing over that onto the rest of your post.... Yes there are disgusting things all over the world. But right now I'm currently discussing America.
I have never understood this weird issue with certain Americans. Every time you try to criticize America they come screaming WHY ARENT YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW HORRIBLE AFRICA IS!!
I'm not talking about the horrors of Africa right now because this isn't a thread about Africa. Simple as that.
imagine being this white and privileged.