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It's ok when Zionist colonisers say "from the river to the sea" but it's hate speech when the original inhabitants or their supporters say it
It’s not okay when anyone says it, have you even read the other comments here?
It depends on how it's said. Is it said as part of an effort to build a multicultural / religious state or part of an effort to rid the region of other ethnicities?
Well yes, a two state solution will never work but building a new cooperative nation isn’t stretching the borders of either current party
It worked with Native Americans, it worked in South Africa.
One of Rome's tyrant emperor's, Caracalla, granted citizenship to a huge swath of the empire because vesting populations is stabilizing.
But yea, lets continue the current regimen of apartheid because that keeping the region so safe...
The two state solution is going to continue what we have now where they kill each other over the border because neither side is going to be content with it
If you trust in Hamas, at least you can distrust Netanyahu
Why would you assume I trust any Hamas sources when I can just listen to Israeli leaders openly call for genecide? Also Hamas is a corpse of a regime who the West pretends is still alive to justify the genecide. My fear is the power vacuum will be replaced with something much worse. The Iraq war all over again.
I wouldn't count out a one state solution eventually. As this genecide and looming regional conflicts isolate Israeli politicians. Because let's not forget, it's leadership not civilians that create these horrible events.
These horrible events have Israeli public support so...
If the Israeli public had an honest discourse, they would pick peace over the perpetual terror their government creates. It takes a lot of proganda to make people vote against their own interests. Just remember all the American support the 2nd Iraq war started at only for that to collapse as people realized the Bush administration was loaded with war criminals.
It's a little different because as far as Israel is concerned, this war is normal. It's an extension of the status quo that Israel as a country and a people has already accepted since 1949 and never changed it since, not when they elected Netanyahu in 1996, not when they kept reelecting him for 20 years. And support for the right wing is rising, not falling. That's different in America because in America a war in the Middle East is not the status quo. If you wanna compare compare to Native Americans and European settlers.
What I'm trying to say is: If we wait for Israelis to realize that genocide is bad on their own, the best we'll get is some crocodile tears and an apology from their Lebensraum to what few Palestinians remain after they successfully genocide them. Don't expect much from the Israeli public on that front; these people want their Zion.
Israel is an American project with a weird caveat, their government is allowed to influence our elections to send tens of billions in aid back to Israel.
That will ultimately be their downfall when that money dries up. People revolt when their lifestyle drops significantly. An isolated IDF can't afford to genecide both Muslim and Jew.
Just a reminder that before Palestinians lived there Jewish people lived there. I don’t really support either side. I just like saying uncomfortable facts out loud because I’m on the internet. Downvote away
Give it back to Rome. Roma Invicta.
Did rome take it from anyone?
Was the original Jewish population ethnically cleansed from the area in living memory? No? Then I don't fucking care.
So genocide is ok as long as enough time passes from the event? It's such an obvious dog whistle when those opposed to the current genocide are magically unopposed to the genocide perpetrated against a certain group of people "before 1930". It's not ok to perform acts of genocide against the Palestinian civilians today nor is it ok for the historical Jewish populations to have had acts of genocide perpetrated against them.
Who lived there pre-1930?
Jews and Arabs. They were collectively referred to as Palestinians at that time.
Here is the Jewish and Arab Mandatory Palestine national football team.
Fascinating
3 thousand years ago? Before there was Jewish or Palestinian people there, the was no one. Hence I believe the area should be completely emptied. Just like to say uncomfortable facts out loud.
I couldn't give a shit if they lived there 2000 years ago. It doesn't give them the right to colonize it in 2023.
There's never been a period of time when Jewish people weren't living there. How can a group of people colonize the place they're already living?
Because you see all Jews as from Palestine. That isn't the case. Before the colonization project started Jews and Arabs had lived together there for thousands of years. Then Europeans showed up, and suddenly most of the Arabs are corraled into reservations that the Europeans and Americans keep encroaching on with settlements.
Rather than assimilate to the existing culture and produce a single post colonial state they decided to try and push the Arabs out. Nobody would care if they had produced a post colonial state that had heavy protections for Jewish refugees, but was not a Jewish state.