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submitted 9 months ago by Lunar@lemmy.wtf to c/gaming@beehaw.org

Do alarm bells ring or not?

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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It really depends.

Some games are so old that the technology needs to be sorely updated for modern gamers to be able to understand the controls, and "upating (the controls) for modern audiences" can be good.

Further, older games often have some pretty awful stereotypes in them that don't need to be preserved so we can remember them.

I know Disney's Bambi isn't a video game, but I'll use it as an example that's being re-made. Bambi was made in 1942, and a massive amount of cultural references and ideas just don't make as much sense in the modern era. There are literally things young people today would be like "what now?" in films that old. Sometimes "updating for modern audiences" is removing stuff that just doesn't make sense anymore, or people don't recognize or understand.

Even further, it used to be that "getting updated for modern audiences" was the norm. Anyone remember that hokey fucking Romeo & Juliet with Leonoard DiCaprio in the 90's? Yeah, that was "updated for modern audiences" and it was a smash fucking hit. Back then, updating for modern audiences meant setting it in Verona instead of Venice and swapping swords for guns.

Like if you're dealing with games that were always meant to frustrate and offend like Postal 2 or Conker's Bad Fur Day or Redneck Rampage, you're probably not gonna have a lot of people happy to "update for modern audiences" but there's not much to update about campy schlock humor anyway.

So yeah, sometimes its not great, but I think the worries about it are overblown.

In movies there used to be a joke about how "the black guy always dies first" in action/horror movies because it held true for a long time. Black characters were given bit-roles that were quickly written out of movies. That is no longer the case, but you don't see movies that don't kill off black characters right away as being advertised as "updated for modern audiences" because that's just silly.

[-] Doods@infosec.pub 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"updating (the controls) for modern audiences" can be good.

My only experience of that is when they removed grid based movements from New N' Tasty and forced players to use the analog, trying to walk felt horrible.

But something like the first 2 Fallouts on the other hand can really use a controls overhaul.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 9 months ago

But something like the first 2 Fallouts on the other hand can really use a controls overhaul.

Those were literally on my mind! I know Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate II got some updated control schemes more recently, including gamepad support, but it seems my favorite Fallouts are still stuck in the past.

God damn it what I would give for a modern Fallout in the style of Baldur's Gate 3. It breaks me how Bethesda has ruined that series.

[-] ampersandrew@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

I think you're looking for Wasteland. They shared a lot of DNA already, and they've got different senses of humor, but Wasteland still has a black comedy angle.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I like the Wasteland games, but something about being alone in the wasteland felt so much more dangerous...

Part of why I liked Fallout is that it (for the most part) dispensed with the party and had you running on your own.

They had a handful of companions you could pick up in 1 & 2, but it was mostly lone gunning.

[-] ampersandrew@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

As in most RPGs, having more actions was always beneficial, so I for sure always had companions in Fallout, even though they were AI controlled and often got in the way. At least Wasteland just gives you control of them.

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