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Kenneth Smith ‘struggled for life’ for 22 minutes in Alabama nitrogen gas execution: Updates
(www.independent.co.uk)
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Ah yes, state sanctioned... murder.. great...
Very Christian of them...
You're right brother. At times like this, I remember Exodus 21:17, Deuteronomy 22:24 and Genesis 9:5-6.
That's old testament and old covenant. You should listen to Jesus and the new covenant instead. E.g. Matthew 5, 38-42.
While you're at it, read though verse 48. Would suit a lot of Christians better if they didn't conveniently skip over those verses on a regular basis.
Sorry, I forgot. Give me a list of the parts of the Bible I'm supposed to ignore. I want to make sure I'm paying attention only to the parts of the Lord's written word that are correct.
It's funny ("funny") because they ignored the part of Matthew 5 where Jesus explicitly says that he didn't come to abolish the law, and that not a thing about it will be changed until the end of time essentially (verses 17 & 18)
Tells you to read parts of Matthew 5, but skips the part of the chapter that directly contradicts their point.
Typical Christian rationalization.
As far as I know, you're not supposed to ignore anything. But there is a new covenant and an old covenant. For example, that's why you probably know Christian women with short hair. Same thing with capital punishment.
I know Jews that eat shrimp... doesn't make it any more kosher.
No fan of Christianity, but it is pretty consistently stated that the old testament is basically the old religions book.
Kinda like how Islam and Christianity have a common origin, but don't follow the same religious text.
The story being that the deity of the abrahamic faiths has issued a series of different holy books and prophets for different eras, with the new one obsoleting the previous one.
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Mormonism. Each says the previous was valid, but they get the new word of God and the old ones were true, but now the old rules are gone.
So it's actually internally consistent for a Christian to say the Torah doesn't apply, which is basically what the old testament is. Similar to how we don't latch onto Islam saying the old and new testament are obsolete, and only the Quran is true now.
There are plenty of examples in each of the chunks to point out the cruelty inherent in all of them without having to fall back to the "old canon".
No it's not internally consistent. Sure, that's what many modern Christians who recognize just how problematic their god and religion are and want to selectively ignore the parts they don't like, will try to tell you. But it's bullshit.
As I said to another Christian in this thread...
Jesus himself stated:
That's Matthew 5:17-18, and if you ask me it's very clear
In context and less shit translations, it's pretty clear that he's saying he's fulfilling the prophesies and the promise of the old covenant, not that literally he's changing nothing.
In the same context, you have him saying that the entirety of the law is to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
Or, more bluntly from the same story:
I have now googled more Bible shit than I care to to cite my dim recollections of religious history studies.
Tldr, Jesus supposedly came to fullfil the promise of the old testament via a vis the relationship between man and God, and to replace that covenant with a new, more chill covenant with less shellfish and more love.
And, this is important to your point, a lot of flaying people alive for failing to obey their slave masters or properly worship God. You don't have to cite the old bit of the book, that they believe is obsolete, to find gnarly shit that makes it not look great.
It doesn't feel too ridiculous to me that religions that came about in the same area would reference each others texts, but aren't beholden to be responsible for their content. 1000 years of telephone was not kind to that translation.
Matthew 5:17-18
That's Jesus speaking, by the way.
Seems very clear to me, guy.
I like that you reference Matthew 5, yet seem to completely ignore a big part of the chapter.
Sucks right? You can't be a Christian and still distance yourself from the horrific things that occurred in the Old Testament. Your god is a petty, jealous, slavery-promoting, genocidal piece of shit.
Yeah, God would rather you bash their head against rocks as they're still babies
It may not be Christ-like but it is very god-like. The Christian god made man in his own image, and god killed over 2 million people in the Bible.
These are more fans of the Old Testament stuff where God was metal.
Yeah nothing more "metal" than a supposedly all-powerful being that openly describes itself using such petty human emotions as jealously.
Nothing more metal than an insecure god that has a tantrum if people don't worship him above all else.
He got more easy listening in the later years but lost his edge.
Yet these people are Jesus freaks but without the compassion and anti materialism. Good old "religion buffet".
That ain’t just murder… that’s 25 minutes of panic and fear…
With a tiny bit of torture and inhumanity thrown in for good measure
That is the purpose of states and of nations, to hold the monopoly on legitimate violence.
That is a really bad idea
Welcome to government.
Okay. What do you believe the purpose of states and nations is?
To represent the interests of the people on an inter and intra national level. Not to have a monopoly on violence. If only the cops/military have the ability to enact force both legally and practically, it will be abused. We can see that all over the United States and the world.
Representing the interests of people is the purpose of governments, not nations.
Has there ever been a nation without a government?
Perhaps not, but there are governments without nations. The EU or the UN, for instance.
One can argue that the EU is a nation itself. It has a common defense force, no hard borders within its member states, a common currency, and a defined territory. But then again, thats only within the Shengen zone. The EU is similar to the USA in that aspect, meaning that there are multiple states which make up a single total nation. The UN is a supranational organization, not really a government without a nation because even its member states can just ignore everything the UN rules on. It has no real authority. While the UN does have a peacekeeping force, it is not the same as the EUs standing military. The UN and NATO are more similar to eachother than the UN and the EU.