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At this point I think Biden needs to just call their bluff. He should come back with, "Okay, here's all the plans we've drawn up to go into effect as soon as you ratify your secession."
Then present the plans that include cessation of all federal subsidies to all public and private Texas entities, removal of all US military personnel and equipment, removal of all other federal agencies and personal (eg. Federal Border Patrol, Park rangers, IRS), removal of the Federal reserve in Dallas, the construction of border walls around the state in NM, OK, AR, and LA asking with placement of the removed border patrol there, and so on.
Let them stew for a bit and chew on just how utterly fucked this state (yeah I live in TX, and early awaiting the day we can leave) would be if they really did successfully secede.
You forgot one: We're gonna invade the nation of Texas, because they have oil.
You mean bring them Freedom ™
"Operation 1 Star Freedom"
Tell them we - the real America - will be keeping all the mineral rights, thanks. They can enjoy the going Galt without any of OUR resources, thankyouveryfuckingmuch.
If they really did secede, I think it's a bit presumptuous to assume you would still have travel rights in the US. Better get out before it happens.
Like everything else, it's a risk trade-off calculation. On the one hand, I'd love to leave now, but If we leave before 2029, it could cost us potentially $1-3million in teacher retirement pension. (spread across 20-30+ years as my wife can retire quite early because she started so young)
So one must balance the risk of Texas really seceding vs the financial cost of leaving early.
At this stage, while it's a 'fun' (I use that term very loosely) thought experiment, I think the likelihood of Texas actually seceding is pretty low. If at some point it starts to look like it's actually likely, then we'll reevaluate if it makes sense to let go of that much money.
That's a tough spot to be in, good luck to you.
It really sucks to think how many people may be held hostage in Gilead states just like you seem to be.
If Texas actually leaves the union, they are no longer a part of the United States and will not be bound by American rule of law. Closed borders may be the least of your problems by that point. Keep your head on a swivel so that the point of no return doesn't suddenly sail past you.
I'm vaguely curious, though not enough to go look it up, how issues of citizenship have been handled in other peaceful separations, like that of Czechoslovakia.
The answer I would find most reasonable, though not necessarily most likely, is to give everyone a certain amount of time to declare which citizenship they choose to retain.
Per Wikipedia.
I think things were a LOT uglier in the breakup of Yugoslavia, as well as the partition of India and Pakistan.
So it could go either way.
Well that's because Yugoslavia was an administrative hodgepodge of actual countries. Oh wait that's not good Texas is home to several district cultural and regional identities. Okay but at least it's not a religious thing right?
Fuck.
Then we can just have the U.S.A. Union, which gives a unified visa, currency, and unified government.
It's literally never going to happen.
Doesn't mean they won't try. Last time someone tried, the civil war happened. Lack of success doesn't mean lack of associated problems or consequences. The real questions would be how far would they get and how bad would it get. Sure, there's a good chance they would never actually try, but the chances they will aren't zero.
Pretty damn close to zero.
Oklahoma should start building the wall for fun.
Something like this is why Brexit