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Biden says he'll shut down the border if deal gives him authority
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Relax, I wasn't calling you a right wing nationalist, though you're excelling as a useful wedge-driving pawn for said right-wingers. I was calling Netanyahu and Trump right-wing nationalists.
Welcome to the world of reality and gray areas where it's probably more complicated than you care to comprehend. Be that as it may, Trump would undeniably be worse.
And no, it didn't start with Hamas lol. Laughable ignorance to history to believe this war began on October 7th.
I am speaking solely of the latest outbreak.
No one can deny Hamas started this one, they might have a leg to stand on if they had only attacked military targets, or even if they had immediately released the children, babies, foreigners, elderly, and infirm.
Things can be hectic in an operation, see the Hannibal directive for more information, but they continued to use innocent people as pawns on a game board.
They started this round.
How much suffering day in and day out, year in and year out does one take before they reach their breaking-point?
If we take the global outcry that Gaza is an "open-air prison," or ghettos and a result of Israeli annexation, siege/blockades, and collective punishment — how much of that can you take year after year before one breaks?
It's death by a thousand cuts or a breaking of a dam. Either way, radicalization does not just propagate out of thin-air.
And if they had taken legitimate military targets or released non military targets within the next day or two, it would be a different story.
They didn’t, they raided a music festival and kidnapped babies and children.
They took a legitimate reason and turned it illegitimate.
Freedom fighters don’t kidnap babies.
The allies killed over a million civilians in their campaign against the Axis during WW2 through brutal fire bombings and nuclear bombs of civilian cities. Welcome to the brutal reality of war where civilians have always been targeted.
All I heard was what about what about what about
If one can't distinguish Tu quoque from identifying a pattern and double-standards, then I suppose we're done here.
So then tell me why something that happened 80 years ago means that we should do the same today?
Tell me why kidnapping babies is ok now because of that
Straw-man — never claimed we should.
But two can play that game:
Tell me why committing the equivalent of 20 October 7ths in the number of civilians killed directly by Israel (half of whom being children) is okay because of something that happened last year?
See? We're in agreement.
It isn’t. Fuck Israel. They crossed the line even more than Hamas did by an order of magnitude.
Neither event is justified or even justifiable.
That doesn’t mean that Hamas didn’t turn a cold/lukewarm war into a hot one.
Do you think l am trying to defend Israel here?
Ok fair. I have some disagreements on how someone backed into a corner over an overwhelming force that continues to annex their land should respond, but yes I'd prefer neither event to have occurred.