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Lemmy needs better integration/federation. Too much content is hidden. A community on the biggest instance was not visible to me on another large instance. (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 10 months ago by Anon518@sh.itjust.works to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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I did a search from shitjustworks for "reddit die" and did not find https://lemmy.world/c/watchredditdie so I made https://sh.itjust.works/c/watchredditdie (unnecessarily). This should really not happen. When someone makes a community there should be a "ping" sent out to notify all other federated instances.

And from what I know, if I post to !sh.itjust.works/c/watchredditdie only users on sh.itjust.works will see the posts until other people from other instances randomly come across it somehow and subscribe? This really needs to be improved.

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[-] GeekFTW@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago

Well I wish you luck in finding what you're looking for, but Lemmy/Kbin by definition isn't it.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I might have to make it.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Nostr is what you're looking for. People who hate mods, defederation, and want a free speech chamber, look no further. You can host your own relay if you want but it doesn't make very much of a difference since accounts are independent from servers.

Just be aware that most people dislike this undermoderated enviornment due to how toxic it can get, but it seems like that's what you're looking for so I don't think it'll be that much of an issue for you.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

I'm not against moderation. I made the Artisanvideos subreddit and moderated the shit out of it myself. I just think it'd be better for moderators to be a matter of user choice like block filters in ublock origin.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Thing is, it's not in the mods or admins' best interest to leave it up in the name of "user choice" and "free speech", these platforms host the content on them and the people hosting it are liable for it, plus making people be able to opt-out of moderation actions would attract unwanted people to the community, the kind of people who would seek that violating content and interact only with that.

Lemmy is NOT a "free speech" or "user choice", nor are the majority of fediverse platforms. I think that's one of the biggest misconceptions when it comes to the fediverse, it's that people think it's that. Really Federation is ultimately the same as a centralized site, that is self hostable, but with the added benefit of these different self-hosted sites communicating and cross-posting to each other. While this would be considered decentralized at the end of the day the site owners are the ones calling the shots, the can delete anything they want, ban anyone they want, or sever connections to servers if they want. They are within their right because they own the site and pay hosting and/or maintain the servers. Why should they put themselves at risk for the sake of "user choice" or "free speech" when they don't owe you the user anything?

With Nostr it's different because operators can purge whatever data they want off a relay, but your account isn't bound to a relay and information doesn't need to be copied to every relay like with Fediverse's ActivityPub. It offers the "user choice" and "free speech" experience by cryptographically isolating the user from the relays and by using them as... well... relays instead of instances.

In short the reason they don't do it is because the way the Fediverse is built isn't really suited for it, due to both liability, and the function.

One could make a tool like Reveddit or Unddit for Lemmy though that fetches the removed comments from the modlog and puts them back in the thread, but that wouldn't be like bypassing or disabling moderation.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

You probably missed the comment where I mentioned admins would still need the ability to remove illegal content or stuff like bots using the place as storage.

Why should the admins allow literally anything when they don't owe me? Oh right, political agenda.