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YEAH! Stupid fucking poors, if your neighborhood is so dangerous just get a better job and move to a gated community like the one RagingRobot here lives in! You're too poor and stupid to handle protecting yourself anyway and since you're so poor who cares if you die?
Buying a gun only makes your neighborhood more dangerous
@RagingRobot @ArcaneSlime How?
Well it makes it much more likely that someone will be shot for one thing lol. The more guns in the neighborhood the more likely someone is getting shot or a child gets a hold of it by mistake. All kinds of stuff can happen and just introducing a gun to the situation statistically increases the chance someone gets hurt.
@RagingRobot i would prefer a working-class based self-armed force and I will be joining it for revolution. Giving up weapon only makes you unsafe.
Send us your address, all us lemmy users can chip in and and gift you a big big ass weapon for your 14th birthday next year
@SkippingRelax Please be quite if you can't argue my argument directly.
That wasn't an argument, you vomited some words that you read somewhere. That as direct as one can be: grow up
Only weak men need weapons.
This is just might makes right ideaology. What about women? Should they be subjugated to the will of any criminal that happens to be stronger than them?
@agitatedpotato @RagingRobot doesn't count women as human.
Oh my god listen to yourself
@RagingRobot Then who is gonna protect you? Police?
Protect me from who? I have never been in a situation where I need to pull a gun on someone and I never will be. If someone wants to rob me they can I have insurance. They would really have no reason to want to kill me. I'm not anyone's enemy.
What are you so scared of?
@RagingRobot From Nazi's militia, from school shooters, from your boss, your landlord and make sure your insurance really wants to pay for your claim.
Sounds like you scared of nothing? It only proves you are a landlord, business owner, or you are a white man from Nazi's militia.
I only have insurance because it was required to get a mortgage but I am thankful to have it in case I need it. I need a house to live in and I don't need a gun but I'm not even complaining that it's required. So not because I am scared exactly but yeah that's how I deal with risk. In a modern civilized way.
I don't lock myself in my house with a bunch of guns peeking out the window waiting for bad guys to show up. The average person doesn't need to worry about that stuff.
@RagingRobot
You mean you have never shot your boss or at least your landlord?
Great, so if someone tries to kill me I should just let them do it for a marginal "increase" in "neighborhood safety" (not my safety of course after I'm murdered.) That makes sense.
What shitty thing did you do to someone that you think they want to kill you?
What shitty thing did Emitt Till do that made people want to kill him? What shitty thing did Harvey Milk do to make people want to kill him? JFK? MLK?
What shitty thing did you do today? Victim blame.
JFK was surrounded by people with guns and it didn't help him one bit though. I wasn't blaming anyone.
I was questioning why you are so scared?
Oh word and that is what you're putting forth as your theory of "what JFK did to make people want to kill him?" Interesting take on the conspiracy, can't say I agree but you're entitled to your own opinion. Personally I think he wasn't shot at all, his head just did that.
Also, are you really comparing yourself to MLK? You definitely should stay away from guns and sharps.
Haha. No dingus I'm refuting your "point" that "I must've done something to deserve it" that "made these people want to kill me. Do trans people deserve it? The 4 women killed by abusive partners/day, do they deserve it? Foh.
I don't think I made that point unless it was in another thread, sorry I'm dealing with a lot of pro gun idiots at the moment.
"What did you do to make people want to kill you" implies it.
Did I really tell you that?
Implied heavily, yes. Define "tell."
Tell would be me writing those exact words, you even enclosed in double quotes, like you were quoting me. I literally had to scroll up and check if I had said something like that, which I didnt but apparently I implied it.
And when "quoting" me you said that those words imply something else. Can you please stop making assumptions?
You've really never seen anyone rephrase an implication as if it were a quote? It's a frequent occurrence in online arguments, I thought everyone was used to it by now.
Was the absolutely clear implication that "whosoever has people who wish to attack them deserves it."
I just noticed however when hunting down the quote that it wasn't you that posted it, but ragingrobot or whatever his name was. You simply attached yourself on to that point, so while you didn't say it yourself you are backing that up. That however would be the implication to which I previously referred, my mistake for the slight identity mixup, but you started in, after a few back and forth with the robot, with:
Soooo DUH I thought you were the same guy I had been talking to. But nonetheless, you've chosen to attach yourself to arguing his implication in his stead, as he neglected to continue when I pointed out quite succinctly that "not everyone who was murdered 'did something shitty that made people want to kill them.'" You instead take this to mean I think I'm like MLK simply because I pointed out that he didn't "do something shitty that made people want to kill him," which is proposterous. Unless you believe civil rights advocacy is itself "a shitty thing that made people want to kill him" I suppose.
So I didn't say that, not something that implied that. That's when you apologies for a small mistake, it happens to everyone but no you actually doubling down.. mate really, stop putting words in my mouth, and then make up things based on words that I didn't say if you want to reply to the other person just do it
No, he did and you hopped in throwing punches for him, so you are working in concert even if he was the one who actually said it. I said my bad for the mixup, but why then do you continue to fight for him? Surely you could have made a mistake as well and missed that comment, why not say "oh sorry no I don't actually agree with that I was asking about MLK because I thought logically of course you must think you're MLK if you invoke his name as 'one undeserving of his fate.'"
I'd rather you just go away than reply, frankly, because this entire time you've contributed a total of 0% to the argument. You came in, said "you think you're like mlk" (paraphrasing, sue me, on mobile), and I thought you were the guy I was actually talking to, and all we've done since then is argue wether or not you're the guy who said it during which you neglected to say "actually that was ragingrobot and while I don't agree with that I was simply curious about my obviously stupid question meant only to troll."
Feel free to fuck off anytime or start contributing to the actual argument, but the one we've been having is over.
You need help mate, you are not well. And stay away from firearms.
No u.
If guns make neighbourhoods safer, why isn't America the safest country in the world by a huge margin?
Feel free to stay in the violence free paradise that you've found, but don't tell anyone where this mythical utopia is or they'll surely invade.
Don't worry, it's not a secret. It's called "any other wealthy country with gun control (which is basically all of them)".
Sure, it's not exactly violence free but the chances of your child being mutilated beyond recognition by a former "responsible gun owner" are close to zero.
Even in the poorest communities, "gunshots or fireworks" just isn't a thing. Even for the most despised minority groups, "this confrontation could escalate to murder before anyone could intervene" isn't a thing.
It's way better.
Oh word y'all don't have stabbings or rapes or anything in any other country at all? News to me.
Ah gotcha, that's what I thought. Call me when it is.
That didn't take much prodding did it? You've just let slip your contempt for a lower crime rate, fewer murders and no monthly extremist killing as many minorities or children as they can.
I guess all your talk about criminals, rape, self defense and protecting minorities was just bullshit rhetoric after all.
If there's no gun sales in it, you openly don't care.
Lower crime rates can exist in places with high rates of gun ownership, and high crime rates can exist without legal gun ownership at all. It's almost like there are external factors and other differences between these countries that contribute to it, like wealth inequality or lack of social safety nets.
"Ohhh you don't care"
Yeah well you don't care if people get stabbed so we're even then lol.
Cool, sounds like you don't need guns then.
I'm not advocating people carry knives around, nor trying to block laws aimed at reducing knife crime. Are you this easily confused when you're carrying your guns around?
'Cept for we do because said crime.
No no, you say it's fine in other countries because no shooty, but stabby ok, don't walk it back now.