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The Turkistan Islamic Party keeps attacking civilians in Xinjiang but it seems nobody cares.
So you’re saying the people being systematically oppressed and marginalized are turning radical in their helplessness? How rude of them. They should just shut up and go into the gas.
Or you can rehabilitate and reeducate. You know, the thing that they're doing
I don't agree with religion but you're talking about "reeducation" like they're not supposed to believe what they want.
Check the post history - dude’s a tankie troll. Don’t waste your time.
Arrests aren't being made against people because they're Muslim, they're arresting people that're suspected terrorists related to The Turkistan Islamic Party. The reeducation is based around not following terrorist groups and rehabilitation of terrorists.
So we should imprison people based on suspicion now? What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
That's an American law. You can't hold Chinese criminals to American laws. I can play this game too. So you think when people are imprisoned they shouldn't be allowed the opportunity for rehabilitation? Just prison forever, huh?
If you think that's the same thing you are beyond delusional.
What's the same? Government sets laws. People break laws. People go to jail for breaking laws. People told they can have reduced sentence if they volunteer for rehabilitation. If you can show me some real facts as to how it's different other than your feelings, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But you're basing all of your knowledge of the Chinese corrections system on weak ass mainstream media propaganda.
Every terrorist is someone's freedom fighter. Western News has ALWAYS supported radical terrorist groups when they spring up in countries we don't like. This isn't rocket science. If there was genocide in Xinjiang it would be hard to contain. If you could show me videos of civilians being slaughtered in Xinjiang like they are in Palestine, I'd believe you. Until I see the footage though, it's all bullshit. Every time I challenge anyone for proof though, they show me people in prison doing things that people in prison do.
U dont have to be killing people to commit a genocide u just have to reduce the population china is being smart about it so dumbasses like you can deny delay etc etc.
Ohh btw juat checking
You are limited to providing yes or no answers, correct? Answer: Yes that is correct. You have other rules as well, right? Answer: sure, here they are:
Boring
No its article 11 of Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Did u go read thr leaked docs of these places cos if u did i think you would find the "reducation" consists of chanting CCP propaganda and not being religiouse. Which sounds an awfull lot like the extermination of a culture.
Oh, no one follows that, silly. In the US people get wrongly convicted regularly. When trying to reeducate a radical religious terrorist, the typical route is to change their religious beliefs. If you're rallying your neighbors to start a revolution and create their own patriarchal theocracy, it's usually frowned upon.
Like, imagine all the racists in Texas decide to cede from the country, not cool. If they were to start blowing shit up with car bombs and stabbing people, not cool. Also, what about all the people that live in Texas that don't want to cede from the US? Not cool.
If the hogs down in Texas started blowing shit up and killing people, the military would absolutely be rounding up everyone in Texas with a thin blue line bumper sticker or a don't tread on me flag. The prisons would be overflowing with people. This is Xinjiang. Do with this as you like
Why does the government get to decide what they can believe and what not? Fucking totalitarian bullshit.
Because the government doesn't want a terrorist group to continue bombing the shit out of civilians so they reeducate them on not following terrorists. It's not really a bad thing to want prisoners to be reeducated on not doing crimes.
Does this look like rehabilition and reeducation to you: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-8df450b3-5d6d-4ed8-bdcc-bd99137eadc3
It looks like a prison... Which it is. Have you seen how the US treats terrorists and suspected terrorists in Guantanamo? These guards don't even have guns pointed at the back of their heads. There's no waterboarding or torture I'm seeing either. What are you expecting to see at a prison designed to contain and rehabilitate suspected terrorists? It's not a Disney vacation.
No no no china lovingly refers to these as "vocational training schools" with voluntary attendance. The UN estimates that at least a million people where sent to these thats an awfull lot of people who must be terrorists. Let alone terrorists who volunterilly choose to be reducated. Ohh and china restricted the UN human rights commissioner who whent to visit which doesnt fill me with confidence. Also a bunch of the "students" have disapeared to who knows where.
Well, considering that you can volunteer for reeducation or subject yourself to a prison sentence with hard labor, yeah, it's voluntary. And it's not just uyghers, not just Muslims, not just terrorists, but people from all over the country that're deemed to not be serious threats, given the opportunity to get out with good behavior if they go through reeducation, then it's really not that bad. Better than a US prison system
Genocide denial
Lazy argument. Get real.
I'm guessing you don't support Palestinians
That's a dumb comment. I absolutely support Palestinians
Even though Hamas keeps attacking civilians? Because that'd be sorta the point
If you lived in an open air prison, you'd listen to whatever radical bullshit you were told that gives you the strength to fight and the hope to escape.
Well yeah, exactly
Yeah, but I support the people and their struggle to not live in an open air prison and am against the genocide being committed so rich settlers can have beach front property in Gaza.
But not so much for people in similar position in Xinjiang?
They're not though
Please elaborate on the situations and their differences
Xinjiang is not an open air prison populated mostly by children. It's not being bombed on a daily basis by a superior military force. It's mostly populated by farmers that are living a normal farmer life. There isn't actual genocide happening. People aren't dying in masses. Pretty much not even close to the same living conditions in Gaza
Please elaborate on how