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People are getting fed up with all the useless tech in their cars — For the first time in 28 years of JD Power’s car owner survey, there is a consecutive year-over-year decline in satisfaction, wit...::People are dissatisfied with the technology in their cars, according to a new survey from JD Power. They especially don’t like the native infotainment systems.

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[-] fubo@lemmy.world 206 points 1 year ago

Some proposed design principles:

  1. It's a car.
  2. It's not a goddamn TV.
  3. It's not your goddamn ads platform or subscription service.
  4. It is, however, a piece of life-safety-critical equipment.
  5. Because it's a car, the driver wants to deal with car stuff like driving, navigating, fuel, roads, obstacles, and not killing people.
  6. They also want to make it passably comfortable by messing with the heat or AC, the fans, the windows, and the fucking moon roof.
  7. Messing with your phone while driving is Actually Illegal these days in civilized parts of the planet. This is for good reason: people get killed that way.
  8. If the car requires messing with your phone, or messing with something that is basically your phone, then you have failed.
  9. There should be a big knob with a fan icon on it. Turning this knob all the way to the left causes the fan to turn off all the way. Turning the knob all the way to the right causes the fan to turn on all the way.
  10. If I ever have to use a touchscreen to control the side mirrors, I will become an extremely unhappy ape.
[-] FireWire400@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

No. 9 but for media volume, touch controls are garbage and gestures are even more garbage.

Looking at you, VAG.

[-] abcd@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah those shitty VAG touch controls. Went to a customer with my employee in summer. When returning home we opened the sunroof to cool the car down quickly. Couldn’t close that mf for 10kms on the autobahn until everything cooled down. Absolutely horrible.

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

When returning home we opened the sunroof to cool the car down quickly

Wouldn't AC cool it down quicker? And more efficiently at autobahn speeds anyway, drag is worse than running AC at speed.

I don't disagree with you on the horribleness of the controls though. Worst part is, MB has gone the same route. I've got the last generation with physical HVAC buttons. I have no idea what my next car will be, but apparently Mercedes doesn't want me to buy their cars anymore. Mazda has come out as anti-touchscreen, which I admire, but it's going to be a hell of an adjustment in terms of suspension and drivetrain comfort.

[-] abcd@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

The plan was to let the heat out for a couple of seconds until the ac was cooled down 😉

Had a Mazda in the past and driving a Honda now. The Japanese cars are often conservative and not as fancy as the European ones but usually they just work in my experience. They are often cheaper and maintenance is also cheaper. My 320HP Civic Type-R has the same maintenance costs then our Fiat Tipo with 120HP. Performance wise it was comparable to a A45 AMG which cost twice as much with maintenance costs about 2-3x of the Honda.

Mazda may be a smaller car brand but their combustion engines are often very innovative.

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

I mostly drive slightly bigger cars. So while I'm fairly sure the Japanese will beat the A-class in just about every metric, but they don't really have a good answer for C-class and above - outside of maybe Lexus, but a 3 year old Lexus is way more expensive than a 3 year old Mercedes. I buy my cars after a few years of depreciation, so I actually like the fact that German cars depreciate a lot in their first few years. But then Lexus doesn't really have good diesel engines like the Germans do, so fuel consumption differences alone will add up a lot.

To be clear, I don't really need or want any of the fancy features (aside from Carplay, which is starting to be ubiquitous), but just the suspension setup alone between a C-class and a Toyota Camry is vastly different. The 9 speed auto box is also excellent, to the point that I don't even feel like I'm driving a tiny 2 liter diesel with only 190HP.

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