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At least here in the US, conservatism is associated with pretty much nothing good. Elimination of trans people (and then da gays after that), more guns, less healthcare, less education, less vaccines, less social responsibility, more taxes for the poor, less taxes for the rich, jailing people for getting abortions, furthering wars that we can feed our soldiers to for money, insurrection and fascism, fox news.
Distancing yourself from that dumpster fire is prudent.
Edit: The social responsibility thing was a dumb one. I was thinking of something else. Disregard that one point.
No, you were right about the social irresponsibility; it's covered by the christofascist element
lumping everyone who believes part of those is not prudent either. I believe in thinking for one's self. I believe in live and let live. You have ever right to be offended, but being offended means fuck all. I believe 2A is integral to our country and protects the rest of the constitution. I believe in more healthcare. our system is broken. but you can't just flip a switch either. the system would collapse. I believe vaccines should be up to the individual, but the people making the vaccines shouldn't make record profits off of them. They should also publish all their testing data and what EXACTLY is in them. We shouldn't be forced to take anything. I don't know what you mean about less social responsibility. I don't know a single conservative that preaches more taxes for the poor. I think there needs to be a closing of tax loopholes so corporations pay their share, and the rich are not able to 'hide' money offshore. abortions should be legal up until the third trimester, except in cases of danger to the mother. If you simply can't make up your mind in 6 months, then you likely have bigger issues. I think we shouldn't hand out money in foreign aid and we should use that money to house, feed and educate our own population before we hand it out willy nilly all over the globe. if we are going to use the farce that our tax dollars are for defense, then let's DEFEND our country, not bomb brown people and let any Juan, Mohammed, and Larry walk across our southern border in hordes and droves. Immigration is fine, but there's a reason we have a limit. I think you should have to show a govt issued ID to vote IN PERSON and I think that ID should be free. I think there should be voting stations in every HS auditorium. Legalize 420, and let's consider legalizing all drugs. Let the gays be gay, idgaf who you marry. While I think 90% of 'trans' people have a mental condition, who am I to tell them what to do with their body? I think it's dumb af to cut off your tits or dick. But hey, it's your body. But if you present as a man, but "identify" as a woman, how the fuck is anyone supposed to know? Put some effort into it Ze, Zam, Chaz, whatever. The world doesn't revolve around you and your pronouns, get over it. I think pedophiles should be executed on public television. I think the people that brazenly do these "smash mob" style thefts should be put in stocks and publically humiliated. I think people like you misuse words like "fascist", "Nazi", "Insurrection", and "Racist" not because you understand the meaning of them, but because they illicit a response that gives you the feeling of moral superiority.
Ultimately I believe that MOST people fall somewhere in between the left and right and it's just the screaming extremes that make each side look terrible to the other. It's also that screaming extreme on either side that shames people into agreeing with them, exactly how you seem to be doing in your post. Calling a group of people a "dumpster fire" because they have an R or a D next to their name is extremely naive and childish and just as dangerous and you seem to think people that don't think like you are.
In full recognition that I am similarly guilty, bullet points would make that digestible. Just a consideration.
So lets both distill this down. I can kinda spot a few agreement points in there (taxes, don't be a dick to LBGT folks) and a dissonance between the voter and the representative (see: the last time R's got a big tax bill. More taxes for the poor, fewer taxes for the rich) which is similar for both parties (arguably more severe on one side, but I digress).
2A, immigration, taxes. These are all legit political discussion points and would be so much better to discuss than whatever culture war nonsense is going on. That don't actually get addressed by legislature (see: R's, this week, throttling their own border bill to make Biden look bad. They explicitly described it as such, so clearly they don't actually care, but when did we expect them to).
There is no conspiracy to place Taylor Swift at the super bowl. Fauci did not do... whatever it was the crazies accused him of (D's had a good number of crazies there to be fair). The border crisis is a nothing burger (not to say immigration reform isn't a thing, just the hype). These are the talking points I hear from the R's. How am I supposed to take them seriously. Especially when I, as a gay man, am expressly on the list of things they want to make illegal?
I watched January 6th. On their streams, it was right there. I imagine it was a big day for Twitch and others like it. There was no question what was happening, and many people have explicitly gone to jail for insurrection. This is not debatable. It has been adjudicated in court. And Trump told them he loves them and that they should "stand by". I watched it live. Some number of them were rubes that were tricked* but there were people setting up a damned gallows and shouting for Pence's neck. Even if the rubes didn't like it, mob mentality is a well studied and powerful thing. It was an insurrection. A relatively pitiful one, but that's what it was.
Trump has expressly stated he wants to be a dictator 'just for a few days' at the start of his term. Because that's how that works... He wants to jail reporters and political opponents. There is no shortage of statements that are about as undemocratic as you can possibly be. Tell me how he isn't a fascist?
Even if you don't like Trump, the R's have fallen in line behind him. I'm not talking average people, plenty of people are conservative and don't support all that nonsense. But the legislature isn't the people. And it's full of people that are challenging each other to duels on the floor of congress and shit (I think it was a state congress, but still). MTG and Boebert eat up air time with their crazy. Gym Jordan is a crazy fucker who was an accessory to sexual assault. The current speaker sends notifications to his son every time his masturbates. This list goes on.
So yeah, in normal times, I'd agree that judging by R or D is a bad move and that generalizations are bad as a rule. Both sides are using their positions to enrich themselves so it's not like there's any high ground to go around. But damn me if I'm not voting for anyone that associates with the side that would rather my loving committed relationship to another man be illegal for... reasons?
Side note: neopronouns are a non-issue. I'm an active member of my LGBT community in a major city and I've never met one. And using someone's new pronouns (on the subject of trans folks) is just a matter of being polite and is not onerous, most only get pissed if you purposefully use their pronouns incorrectly. Worst I've had is being corrected when the wrong word slipped.