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submitted 9 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

New poll reveals Republicans are authoritarian curious, while Americans are starkly divided on Trump’s 2020 guilt

The Joe Biden presidential campaign is positioning the 2024 election as a referendum on democracy. But a new poll suggests that defending America’s constitutional system of checks and balances is no longer an electoral slam dunk.

A startling 39 percent of Americans, including 74 percent of Republicans, think it’s a decent idea for Donald Trump to act as a dictator for a day to begin his prospective second term, according to a University of Massachusetts Amherst survey released Wednesday.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 64 points 9 months ago

Oh, man... Quoting Benjamin Franklin in this case would come perilously close to breaking the "advocating violence" clause.

Lemme just say this... Franklin is the reason we have the ability to impeach Presidents. He considered the alternative too terrible to contemplate:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/american-presidents-can-be-impeached-because-benjamin-franklin-thought-it-was-better-assassination-180961500/

[-] Talaraine@kbin.social 31 points 9 months ago

For those not in the mood to read, saved you a click but thank you for the link @jordanlund!

The history of impeachment in the United States is important to understanding the Bill Clinton saga. The Founding Fathers wrote impeachment—originally a Roman political institution—into the constitution for the purpose of removing an official who had “rendered himself obnoxious,” in the words of Benjamin Franklin. Without impeachment, Franklin argued, citizens’ only recourse was assassination, which would leave the political official “not only deprived of his life but of the opportunity of vindicating his character.”

It would be best, Franklin argued, “to provide the Constitution for the regular punishment of the Executive when his misconduct should deserve it, and for his honorable acquittal when he should be justly accused.”

The bottom line here is that if anyone manages to eliminate prosecution for acts performed while they are president, expect the Punisher. In fact, while I don't normally support violence, I'd have to say it's a patriot's duty.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Bennie Franklin truly was the greatest president 😉The best president was never president at all

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Docr. Franklin was for retaining the clause as favorable to the executive. History furnishes one example only of a first Magistrate being formally brought to public Justice. Every body cried out agst this as unconstitutional. What was the practice before this in cases where the chief Magistrate rendered himself obnoxious? Why recourse was had to assassination in wch. he was not only deprived of his life but of the opportunity of vindicating his character. It wd. be the best way therefore to provide in the Constitution for the regular punishment of the Executive when his misconduct should deserve it, and for his honorable acquittal when he should be unjustly accused.

-The records of the Federal convention of 1787, volume 2, p. 65

There is nothing about him thinking "the alternative too terrible to contemplate". He merely thought it would deny the executive a chance of redemption - Does anyone think Trump could redeem himself in his last few years of old age when he never has prior?

To think a man who only a few years prior had been a key political figure in fighting a revolutionary war, something that famously leads to bloodshed, would be abhorred by the concept and become a staunch pacifist is a bit silly. Not to mention the whole aforementioned quote you won't share and which I'm not going to repeat here for that reason.

Also Franklin was not the sole reason, they all debated on this topic.

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