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Nah, I hate Biden so just downvote and move along. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Him and the DNC are handing Trump another presidency and y'all will just keep saying everything is fine when it's obviously not.
We've talked before about your theory that opposing all right-of-center candidates, even when one is running against a democracy-ending fascist, is something you think is justified and productive. I actually don't agree with some of your criticisms of Biden, but much more to the point, I think actively propagandizing against him in this particular election is foolish and dangerous.
If you were incessantly posting articles about productive ways to push the establishment Democrats to the left, and support for the rare handful of them that actually represent the people decently well, you and I would be very much on the same page, but just relentlessly shitting on Biden is something that I feel like giving a response to.
I'm not obligated to stop talking because you want me to. On my side, I could tell you to not post these things and move along, but, here we are.
A decent solution is that you could block me, so you won't be bothered by my comments, but I get to say my piece and everyone else can still see them as a counterpoint. Everyone's happy then, right?
You keep pivoting to this "oh isn't it a shame that Trump's doing well, I'm just a humble concerned citizen" stance, while actively doing what little you can in this little corner of the world to help Trump do better. Like I said, if you were actively promoting leftist ideals in government, it'd be a whole different conversation.
The DNC's not great. Biden's accomplishments though, as compared with a standard Democrat, are actually pretty significant. Actually the very first places I would put the blame for Trump doing as well as he is would be (a) establishment Democrats as a whole, for turning their back on the working class ever since Jimmy Carter (b) the US news media, especially the turgidly pro-corporate part of it that you keep posting links to.
This user is not interested in good faith debates about political ideologies and injecting some actual fucking leftism into the US. They post a variety of articles, mostly to dilute the anti-Biden posts. For every 1 post about a random topic, return2ozma has 3 anti-Biden posts. They post just enough random topics to claim they aren't a troll. Their goal is to spread just enough propaganda to discourage leftist and sway centrists on Lemmy (lol centrists on lemmy).
They’re a textbook example of a concern troll. But unlike Reddit, Lemmy is too small for their M.O. to go unnoticed. It’ll be nice when they eventually tire of their tactics being called out and go back to Reddit.
They're also showing a pretty textbook example of Never Play Defense from the alt-right playbook. I'm honestly not sure why I engaged with them for the length of time I did, but I looked back at the flow of the conversation and it was something like:
Me: This article being repeated at the frequency it is, is propaganda
They: You're saying Biden's going to win the election, let me attack that viewpoint
Me: Biden's record is actually pretty good, whereas Trump is the end of the world, that seems relevant
They: You're saying CNN's reporting of Biden is factually wrong
Me: It's relevant that Trump is the end of the world
They: You're saying we should ban CNN
Actually typing it out in summary, I have no clue WTF I was thinking with continuing the conversation that long 🤣