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Hello based people of lemmy,

I have recently started trying out BSDs as an alternative to Linux and found out that Spotify isn't supported. Before you say try it in a browser this doesn't work as spotify has DRM that doesn't work on BSD OSes.

Now is there a way to stream music similar to Spotify? I know there is a downloader program available.

Furthermore do you know what self-hosted options are available? I already have a basic *arr stack and am always up for convoluted server and Linux hijinks.

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[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Honestly I haven't found them to do anything daft yet. From my understanding FreeBSD is a pain to configure for desktop usage as it's designed more for servers. Tell me if I am wrong.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 1 points 9 months ago

Yes, you are wrong. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system. You install what you need and configure what you need. GhostBSD and its ilk are for weenies.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Now you sound like an Arch kid. I say this as someone who used to be an Arch kid sort of.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I use Arch too. I've been using FreeBSD for 21 years, though. I run everything on it, even this Lemmy instance.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Okay I will probably move to FreeBSD proper eventually. I am still new to this though and likely to break things. I don't want to have to go through a whole process every time I mess up to get a usable working system until I actually know what I am doing.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 1 points 9 months ago

Install on ZFS root, snapshot a known good, then you can rollback as you wish.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah this might be the way. I have created a FreeBSD current USB drive to install off of. I am thinking the newer slightly less stable version has less GPU issues as that seems to be the main factor.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 1 points 9 months ago

That almost certainly untrue. Do not run CURRENT, it has INVARIANTS and WITNESS enabled that will make it painfully slow.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

That's good to know. Is there also a way to suppress error messages in the installer? They fill the whole screen from one repeating message and I can't actually install it because of that.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 1 points 9 months ago

Again, it is because you are using CURRENT. Don't use it.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Never used current, I went with stable. What's the solution?

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 1 points 9 months ago

To what? Provide the error message and stop asking to be spoonfed? And you can hit ^L to make the install refresh the screen like with any curses program, fyi.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

ubt0: ubt_bulk_read_callback:1131: bulk-in transfer failed: USB_ERR stalled.

Also ctrl+L isn't clearing the screen.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That is your bluetooth adapter. Just disable it, press 3 at the boot menu to break to loader prompt and set hint.ubt.0.disabled="1" and boot

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

It's USB related. Probably an unsupported device. If it's really an issue I can address it later but first I need to get the thing installed. Also I had no idea you could do that with ncurses.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I managed to fix it using some command from a forum luckily.

I now believe it's Bluetooth related. Boads well for using Bluetooth devices.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 1 points 9 months ago

An idea, maybe just stick to Linux if first class hardware and proprietary software support is what you're chasing.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

I hardly use Bluetooth. But yes I don't think FreeBSD will work on my laptop for example. It has issues with the keyboard on that machine.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 1 points 9 months ago

Running FreeBSD on a laptop newer than 5ish years old is asking for a bad time no matter what. Linux has Intel and AMD engineers implementing power management for their parts. FreeBSD has no such help. Your laptop will likely be idling at a much higher power consumption than it would under Linux.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Did I say CURRENT? I meant STABLE. Which is weird because shouldn't something called stable be the version you release, but release is a separate one. It's confusing.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 1 points 9 months ago

You need to read the handbook before you start spouting judgments about the releng process.

STABLE is cut from CURRENT. RELEASE is cut from STABLE.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah I got that thanks. It's a very odd way to label things. It doesn't follow industry standards which are normally: alpha, beta, release candidate, release.

Or even the debian method of: unstable, testing, stable, oldstable.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Please quote me the relevant "industry standards." It is all perspective, and FreeBSD releng certainly does not cater to what some rando online might think is an intuitive way to name release trains. This has been done this way for 30 years.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Out of curiosity what do you use Linux for and what do you use FreeBSD for? Do you use FreeBSD as a desktop or only as a server?

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Linux on laptops, and certain other servers (TV headend/DVR, APCO P25 SDRtrunk host), and video transfer workstation. FreeBSD on any other servers, routers, and workstations, including my home automation controller (I maintain a fork of Home Assistant for FreeBSD).

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