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I genuinely hope you’re a low effort edgelord, or baiting for anti-Semitic comments to ‘prove’ the world hates Jews.
The actions of Israel in the last three months has set the stage for generations of traumatized and hateful Gazans to fuel future cycles of violence, and drove huge divides between alliances - just as Hamas, Iran, and the hardline Islamists wanted.
No, just informed myself of the history regarding the territories in question instead blindly listening to what hamas says regarding the HUGE death toll. We've been listening to hospitals running out of fuel since the first week of the gaza siege. They were still running months after.
Tell me then what would be the solution to this problem when your neighbour wants to annihilate you? Israel completely left gaza in 2005, left infrastructure, gave them electricity and water for free. Palestinians could work in Israel and come back to gaza.
What did Israel get in return? A indiscriminate unprovoked massacre of civilians.
Israel is a beacon of civilization from a desert wasteland, gaza hardly evolved from thriving terrain. Who am I going to root for?
Israel has been doing this shit to Palestinians for decades. They "left" Gaza as an open air prison, shot anyone who tried to leave, blocked necessities from entering, and dropped bombs and missles randomly for good measure. You are watching the Warsaw Uprising happen live and blaming the Poles.
Shot anyone trying to leave but plenty of Palestinians worked in Israel... Does not compute. Even if that were true, when your neighbouring country indoctrinates it's citizens to destroy the jews from an early age, you can't really trust any civilian.
Open air prison - then every country is an open air prison if you can't freely leave to neighbouring countries - It's called borders.
Dropped bombs? You might be confusing Israel with Gaza. Israel is the one that had to install an "iron dome" missile defense system due to random bombing from Gaza.
The brainwashing is strong here.
Dude just stop. You’re telling on your own ignorance with each post.
Because there is no functioning economy in Gaza. And they require work permits, which are capriciously granted and withheld by Israel, until the militants threaten escalation. It’s such a regular cycle of escalate-to-deescalate that the behavior is expected by both sides. Militants get a chance to smuggle during the cross border movement, Israel gets intel on the newest crop of actors launching firebombs, while civilians on both sides suffer
This argument is so weak, literally any European, anyone who’s seen the US-Canada border, or the US-Mexico border for that matter, is living proof else wise. There’s massive walls and fences around all parts of Gaza, except the sea. Everywhere in and out is tightly controlled and searched, and an exhaustive list of ‘dual use’ items like medical supplies, building equipment, technology, etc are banned entry.
Bruh.
You can't freely enter any European border country, no. Those that belong to Schengen can freely travel but they don't seem to want to anihalate and rape their neighbors - it seems to really help.
There is no functioning economy in a rich land with 2 million people while Israel made an advanced country out of desert?
Perhaps the problem is the people.
All I care is Israel grew to one of the most advanced economies on earth from desert while gaza is as good as any other Muslim shithole with no oil.
Bro your racism is shining through, you might want to check that
I know I won't change any minds here. What's born crooked and all...
You know, if pretty much the entire world is saying Israel is going too far, including the US who are normally 100% behind Israel, and the goddamn International Court of Justice, perhaps it's time to consider that it's you, and not the rest of the world, that needs to change their mind.
But they offer no proper solutions despite the same drivel of the last decades that led to October 7.
I actually believed what the media said about the Israeli-Palestine war with the colonizations and all that, but upon reading about Israel and gaza strip history and the current developments I'm all for Israel now.
Racist confirmed, move along folks. They can’t help but spout their small minded drivel if you talk long enough to them
Finally. This circlejerk is tiresome
The problem is a 30 year long economic blockade by Israel. Gaza can't function because Israel will not allow it to function:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip
https://www.oxfam.org/en/timeline-humanitarian-impact-gaza-blockade
Easy, the one thing literally the whole world keeping telling Israel is the best way out of this situation - a viable future for Palestinians. Unitary secular state, or a two-state solution. Otherwise the choice left is increasing the collective punishment against Palestinians as a whole.
They are denied a future by Israel, leaving the door open for outside actors are co-opting that anger into violence. The present path Israel is taking will end in either displacement, ethnic cleansing, or outright genocidal destruction.
Israel tried that - Gaza was left to the Palestinians.
You could complain about colonies in the West bank but not in gaza. No Israelis colonies were made there but hamas still wants to completely eradicate Jews from the neighbouring land.
Interesting phrasing there implying Israel granted Gaza, instead of Israel failing to keep to its commitments in Oslo II.
And yes there were illegal settlements in northern Gaza until 2005, and powerful elements of Israeli leadership are pushing to colonize Gaza completely or in majority.
Permanent embargo, domination, apartheid and collective punishment of Palestinians is not a path to peace.
Exactly. Like I said, Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and gave the Palestinians the opportunity to govern themselves from there on.
What did they do? Elected hamas, the party that promised to kill all Jews. Oh so much peace...
To say “welp we tried, screw negotiations forever and ever” is shortsighted. Israel was never negotiating for an independent Palestine, even during the high points of Oslo or Camp David. It always wanted a subservient Palestinian Authority, with no actual control over security or borders, and no right of return for Palestinians - a deeply hypocritical stance whilst Israel rubber stamps Jewish immigration and citizenship, and funding Aliyah trips for international Jews with no ties to Israel
Israel today isn’t offering any solution but continued suffering, displacement as refugees, or ethnic cleansing. I disagree with the Palestinian resistance’s methods, but we are here because of years of failed peace processes where Israel rejects the option of dignity for Palestine.
You need to show the civilians living in the area that there’s another way via political process, and that rejecting violence is the way forward. Al-Qassam exists and is given permissive operations inside of Gaza because the people view them as the best route to a future. Throwing stones at a brick wall isn’t effective, but to Palestinians in a hopeless scenario it’s understandable to take up violence when the alternative is ethnic destruction in slow-motion.
Gaza was given billions in aid. They could've built a decent economy but it was all wasted in an archaic tunnel network, weapons and a pointless war with Israel.
Youve already taken the mask off dude, stop posting
Just because you called someone racist doesn't mean you won. I'm allowed to dislike cultures that belittle women and LGBT people. They don't belong in the 21st century
Ah yes, Gaza strip was a paradise on Earth, which unfortunately you were unable to leave, and they didn't have been blocked by Israel by land and sea, not to mention that Israel bombed their airport. Damn, I wonder how people will feel down in such a wonderful place.
Israel did not leave. They blockaded the place and turned it into an open air prison that needed UN support just to not starve.
Sorry but what kind of history books did you read, as you seem completely disconnected from the reality or the other option is to have read only the propaganda which has very little to do with the reality.
That's rich from someone that seems to only read hamas propaganda. What about the misfired hamas mortar that landed in a hospital parking lot but hamas said was from Israel and killed 500 people? Turns out it actually killed like 5 people or something. That was propaganda from who?
When did I say there isn't propaganda from both sides? You know in war the truth is the first casualty.
Oh and thanks for telling me that BBC, Reuters, AP, Wikipedia are all spreading Hamas propaganda.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-social-media-fake-accounts-bots-bea114a2be8e0fcf73fcabc736047fd3 - I will leave this here, and exit the chat.
I doubt you will watch this but I'm going to put the link to The Great Book Robbery here for others to see a response to your ridiculous flawed final paragraph.
Before Israel existed, before the Zionists came into Palestine in the late 1800s there were Christians, Jews, and Muslims living together in relative peace all over the Middle East.
After WWII when the minority Zionist population with backing from Germany and Britain finally had the weapons and power to make an ethnostate, they seized land and absconded with many historical artifacts and literature from the Palestinians. They tried to erase their culture because without it the Palestinians could be portrayed as you have portrayed them, as hardly evolved, like human animals.
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