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This is a very leftist online space. And proudly so. And it's not like there's a lack of disagreement among leftists. But any vagueries about having "controversial" opinions is gonna come across as fascist dogwhistling or at best liberal snobbery.
If you truly want a “leftist” online space lacking disagreement, you’re just asking to be put in an echo chamber. Differing opinions are important and should be encouraged - hell this is one of the core principals of democracy.
The only opinions I don’t respect are those advocating violence or violating basic human rights.
I hate fascism and I honestly don’t know what liberal means in this context since “leftists” seem to use it as a catchall term often.
Lol the fact that you think leftism is small and unified enough to be at risk of becoming an "echo chamber" shows just how little you know about leftism.
Liberalis generally are capitalists who think that capitalism is a "free", "democratic" and "equal" system. Some liberals think its flaws can be ironed out with regulation and reform.
Leftists aren't just socially progressive. They're also anti-capitalist. And no amount of "debating" is gonna change that.
Btw
sounds a lot like Musk lol. But least you unambiguously stated you hate fascism, even though I'm not really sure what you would even define as 'fascism'...
Sorry I misread your comment, I thought you said leftists lack disagreement, while also claiming it’s a good thing. I don’t think leftism is small and unified (that’s why I put it in quotes in my comment, since I assumed you actually meant a small subsection of leftists).
Also, while I honestly despise Musk, if he truly believes that (I doubt it), then I agree with him.
I probably define fascism the same as you, no need to be passive aggressive.
Ah ok.
Re Musk, it's about intent. He's been using "different opinions" under the pretence of "free speech" (and "democracy") as an excuse to boost fascist content on Twitter. It's cryptofash doublespeak.
But even fascism aside "you should be more open to debating differing opinions" still comes across as tone-deaf centrism.
In any case the implications aren't pretty.
As for defining fascism, with crap like "horseshoe theory" muddying the waters, as well as the general impression people have that fascism is some isolated evil from the past, there's ample room for doubt in online interactions.
Let me make things clear - extreme opinions (like, in my personal opinion, supporting terrorism) shouldn’t be tolerated or accepted.
Sure but statements like that are kinda meaningless when there are people who believe that movements like Antifa and BLM are "terrorist".
I guess you’re right.
I define a terrorist as someone who kills (or attempts to kill) innocent people publicly to incite terror due to ideological reasons (I’m not a native English speaker and this sentence was hard for me to write, hopefully this makes sense).
The vast, vast majority of BLM and Antifa aren’t even close to this definition, so while there are some things they do I disagree with, I will always defend their right to protest and resist.
Mate, you were confrontational in the first place lol, no need to tell the other guy to calm down, he's not an idiot, he knows what you initially assumed of him obviously.
I didn’t mean to be confrontational, but rereading my comment I could see why you would say that. I’d chalk it up to cultural differences.
But this means he could have also not meant to be passive aggressive, so I also shouldn’t have assumed.