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[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 61 points 9 months ago

The right to a fair wage while imprisoned. Or else your justice system only serves to produce slaves.

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Slavery is legal in prisons here in the U.S.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago
[-] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

written into the constitution

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

That's why the rights of people today shouldn't be dictated by a document written over a century ago. Idolizing a document over human rights is terrible.

[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

- George Santayana

That's the full quote that people like to reduce to the final sentence.

Documents are a species' way of remembering the past and establishing core ideals so that future generations don't have to reinvent those wheels.

Not to say any given document is without flaws or captures the right values, and as our societies grow and mature so too should the values that we align ourselves with.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Well you benefit from that very same document right here (free speech). The first thing tyrants do is get rid of things like constitutions.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I meant the ability to add rights and amend, not destroy the document.

[-] JayDee@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago

Idolizing a document over human rights is terrible.

Well, to be clear, human rights, other than being a vague philosophical concept, are also a document. Much younger, and much more sensible and uncompromising, but still also a document.

Hopefully if new rights are deemed to be needed, they can be added.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I mean, if a document has specific rights written on it and society moves forward and has need for new rights to be added then we should be ready to rewrite and add rights as opposed to treating the document as divine and unchangeable.

[-] Wiz@midwest.social 5 points 9 months ago

Sadly. We should change that, but you-know-who would be against it, like they had been throughout the nation's history.

[-] Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Should they then also pay rent in prison? :D (not serious)

[-] microphone900@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago

Oh boy, let me tell you about pay-for-stay.

At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt - AP News (2022)

Essentially, that already happens. They get charged for rent. And food. And medical care. And whatever else can be charged.

[-] Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 11 points 9 months ago

Ok not funny anymore. What a dystopia! Thanks for the info.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I know you're not being serious, but for the sake of the argument, if we're going to force a person, against their will, to be in a certain place for a certain amount of time then we should have to cover all the basic needs that that person may have.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world -4 points 9 months ago

You lose your rights when you go to prison. Murderers shouldn't have a right to wage laws.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I totally disagree. Why, someone could frame you for murder and have you for a slave before you know it. I wouldn't take that chance as long as the Justice system is fallible.

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