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I don't really care. Abusing (using) animals for food and work is cruel anyway, if me not doing that because I think it's wrong is good for the environment, great! If it's not, fine, but it's not why I do it.
That's the thing. Ethics and impact on the environment can be two different things. If you decide to go that way, you're fine. Do it. However we need animals for stated reasons. We have to eat less meat/generally consume less animal products.
We also need to stop overproducing everything. America makes far too much corn, because/and the industry is heavily subsidized.
The amount of food waste in North America is astounding. Completely unnecessary.
True. That's the same with everything. As long as it is worth to produce stuff just to throw it away we will damage our planet more and more.
Yup.. I want those subsidies to shift to hemp production. So many far more useful products that will be able to be produced rather than food processors playing hide the corn. It is a drop in replacement for the ethanol in gas since the seeds are 30% oil.
But we don't produce hemp, and megacorps go.. Here's another ethane cracker plant.
We do that so you can go to the store and actually find food. It's so we don't have another famine...has nothing to do with anything else you're trying to point out.
You have zero idea what you are talking about.
Yea totally, no clue what I'm talking about at all, just own a farm and understand our food economy...but nope no clue.
So you’re telling me the government uses tax payer money to prop up your farm so that… we can actually find the food at the grocery stores?
And then with all that extra corn that you’re producing they have to find a myriad of other uses (like the syrup that making the entire country obese, for one)?
So clearly you’re way more enlightened on the subject since you own a farm, so why don’t you tell the class why subsidizing an unnecessarily oversized industry is a good thing.
Don’t shy away from this. You’re the expert.
Lol I don't own an ag farm, but I'm in the farming community, and the gov. Props up farms so people like you don't starve to death when we have a bad grow year or droughts...or any other reasons to keep the people who feed you from saying fuck this I quit.
Yes because all farms grow is corn and create sugar drinks....also we have an issue with obesity for a ton of different reasons and it's not because of "big corn".
Already did, you just don't seem to understand that without keeping farmers afloat, the majority of them will fail and then you get to go outside and eat some grass and acorns...which the more likely thing to happen is you starve to death because you think food magically appears in the store two minutes from you.
Can it be improved? Sure, but acting like your food you eat is somehow going to magically be cheaper and more plentiful without keeping farmers from failing after a bad year is hilarious.
None of that changes the over abundance of the stuff I am specifically talking about. The amount of land and resources put into that industry are unnecessary. I understand what crop insurance is, and I am not trying to belittle farmers.
How so? The majority of land that cattle are on cannot be properly used for plants. The soil and climate is not suitable for pretty much any crops without massive amounts of water and soil fertilizers. Look at what they're doing in AZ when growing alfalfa hay which is shipped over seas to rich Arab countries for their race horses. That alone is sucking the aquafers dry.
The over abundance is there specifically to make sure we all do not starve, the great depression is how it came about. You really don't want a repeat of that. Millions would die.
You have a vested interest so your bias makes having an actual conversation about this unattainable. I’m not doing this dance with you.
No, animal captivity, exploitation, rape, slaughter, and consumption are all things that are very much unnecessary, and are detrimental in many ways.
I disagree that raising and keeping animals because we want their products or labor is cruel, and I especially disagree that referring to that as abuse is useful.
What standard of cruelty and ethical framework are you using to come to your conclusion?
Edit: as stated in my other comment, I don't believe that it's cruel in principle; I'm not denying that the industry has cruel practices.
It may not be cruel in principle, but it is usually cruel in practice. Still, I like the the guiding principle to try to not let minor benefits to myself (e.g. an easier way to a nice meal) go above vital benefits of other creatures.
I was speaking in terms of principles rather than discussing practical reality. Of course cruel practices are common in farming in general and the meat industry in particular; I'm not disputing that.
Edit: Why TF am I being downvoted?
How is it not cruel?
https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
I'm not watching a vegan shock video.
If you disagree with me, you should be able to put in to words why you believe all instances (real and hypothetical) of keeping animals for the stated reasons should be considered cruel. If what I said is a strawman of your position, then you don't disagree with what I meant to say.
It's because fundamentally you are still commodifying whole living, thinking beings who have their own wills and lives they want to live. We need to reckon with the fact that it is unjust for us humans to think we have any right to declare other species of animals as property.
Ethical emotivism. A framework most people use, although few admit it.
Ethical emotivism isn't a self-consistent ethical framework. It's arguably not even an ethics system; it's a philosophical attitude towards ethics as a field of study.