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Donald Trump ranked as worst US president in history, with Joe Biden 14th
(www.theguardian.com)
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People who should be lower: Jackson, Wilson, and Reagan. Fuck those guys.
Reagan can be next to last. He's done more damage to modern America than all others but Trump
Except Republicans were polled as well, and then the rankings combined, whereas e.g. Trump is more universally hated by all sides (independents too).
He was tough on the USSR, at least. Obama and Biden not arming Ukraine enough before the conflicts caused Russia to be more successful than it has any right to be
Obama tried, they passed multiple aid packages. Trump withheld the aid, which was the cause of his first impeachment.
Obama could have directly slapped Russia down in 2014, but didn't do shit. Russia was not punished enough and got more bold in 2022
Why is it Obama or Biden's responsibility to arm a foreign country?
Because for once, America is helping against an imperialist aggressor rather than encouraging it. It also happens to be in our best interest to show to other dictators how bad an idea it is.
Fight your own battles instead of proxy wars?
OK. Now we get directly involved and Russia goes nuclear, or we don't get involved at all and Russia takes over Ukraine.
so it's ok if Ukrainians die in the process. as long as it's not americans right?
You offering something better? Because I'm not seeing it.
FIght your own fight. This war by proxy shit is bunk. If he's bad enough to stop, then let's go fucking stop him. If he's not then why waste our money and their lives? It could be over tomorrow if we really wanted it to be, but we'll just string it along, drag it out. Fuel the war machine.
Because they'd go nuclear. We covered this.
you don't know that. and by being the first country to "go nuclear" they'd be putting a HUGE target on their backs. no way that would happen.
Ok, it makes things more likely to go nuclear. Now that's that settled, this is a bad idea, right?
explain your reasoning.
Prove you're not a sealion first.
Or how about this: I would love to see NATO go gloves off. We tell Poland "Hulk? Smash." and they rush across the border and reinforce Ukrainian positions. A US carrier group rolls up and sinks what remains of the Black Sea Fleet before the Admiral can get a second cup of coffee. Marines start landing in Sevastopol and the obligatory McDonalds is setup within 36 hours. F-22s body the Russian air force without even being seen. The Kerch Strait Bridge isn't just bombed, but completely taken out from end to end. What remains of Russian ground positions west of Mariupol is full of soldiers who hear rumors that NATO POW camps will give you hot food and a warm blanket, and that's sounding like a damn good deal by the end of the week.
Do you know why I don't advocate for that? Because I'm not a goddam fucking moron who thinks Putin would just accept this loss and run away.
Isn't that what I said? FIGHT YOUR OWN BATTLES??? Putin would HAVE to accept losses like this because as it is he's having a hard time keeping people IN the russian military. Losses on this scale would seal it. While we're at it just go assassinate him. Why not? leave him alive and this shit continues.
Because the US disarmed Ukraine in exchange for security promises. Time to actually live up to your promises
Russia guaranteed Ukraine security for disarmament, the UK and US made assurances.
Well, it's still shitty since everyone bullied Ukraine to disarm and then Russia invaded and the arm shipments are not enough to stop Russia from continuing to take land
Iran and North Korea are better allies than the US and that sucks for global diplomacy
oh so why don't we ACTUALLY DEFEND instead of just sending fuck tons of money are arms? like i said, this shit could be over tomorrow if anyone really wanted it to be. to many people are making too much money off of it. war is good for business incase you haven't noticed.
I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm saying it's better to send arms than not to send them
Trump's so much worse than any of those guys. He's literally promising to end democracy in the USA and to imprison his political opponents if he wins the next election. None of those others went that far.
Not to mention him being convicted of massive fraud while in office and fomenting a riot against the capitol to try to prevent the democratic election process from occurring. I mean this stuff is absolutely nuts and unlike anything any other president has done.
Jackson committed genocide against native Americans, so I think that's worse.
I could go on and on about all of Jackson's atrocities from stealing babies to skinning Native people alive to make bridle reins. But I think it's enough to say that Jackson was Hitlers wet dream. He quoted him often and even ripped off Jackson's speech called the Final Solution to the Indian Problem. Yea, Jackson goes last even over Trump.
jackson not being dead last just completely ruins the entire integrity of the list. how can genocide against native americans be better than trump? seriously?
I suppose the argument might be that Trump attempted to ferment a war, and still to this day attempts to do so, that would kill his own countrymen.
Which while morally probably isn't worse than crimes against natives, is probably worse for a president to do?
Also of course if Trump gets his way he'll start world war 3, (because that's a vote winter I'm sure) which would kill a lot more people.
then by all rights lincoln should probably be dead last, a war in which most if not all causalities were americans, regardless if at the time they "werent"
I mentioned in a comment a bit further up but thought I'd offer it here too:
that's worse than literal genocide of an entire race of people? do you really think so?
Not necessarily, but my point was to try and guess what they may have been considering. And if the absolute number of people killed is larger... that could have swayed their thinking there.
Also, you expect more from adults - so if we really have learned from our history and thus are more culturally experienced now vs. hundreds of years ago, then is killing people nowadays "worse" or "better" than to do so back then? It's really quite a shitty situation that we are in, and my main point is that it it not like we are comparing genocide to no genocide, but rather one form of genocide vs. another form of genocide.
And yet... at the risk of offending you further, an argument can be made that indeed killing your OWN PEOPLE really is on a somewhat different level, as far as genocide is concerned, than killing the OTHER, outside-of-group people.
Not that any of this is remotely "good", when we are comparing dead last to second to dead last. But... it is somewhat understandable I mean, that the entire list may not need to be thrown out, just b/c the two last places both have genocidal people in them, but with whichever one or the other happens to be one rank higher or lower. :-(
That is Trump's favorite president unsurprisingly.
Yeah honestly I fucking hate Trump but Jackson should be the worst simply because of this. This kind of voids the entire reputation of these scholars in my view.
Trump also committed genocide against poor people by lying to them that a global pandemic was not airborne, when it actually was. In the Bob Woodsworth interview, he admitted it. In advance. He KNEW, and he did it anyway.
Plus he led a coup to overthrow the nation so... there's that too.
I think part of the problem is intent versus what he got done so far.
If you want some ammunition in your statement though, add in the bungling of COVID and his anti-vax leadership he probably killed at least a couple hundred thousand Americans.
can they just be tied for last?
FDR should be much much lower
Because of the internment camps?
Yes, and agricultural adjustment act. Bribing voters with social security. Attempted court packing. Support of Mussolini. Created UNICOR. Corporatism. To name just a few things.
"Being a traitor to his class, and empowering peasants." Fixed that for you.
Fuck Ben Shapiro.
Yeah no that's not what I said. He actually empowered corporate technocrats more.
I'm confused.