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Oklahoma banned trans students from bathrooms. Now a bullied student is dead
(www.independent.co.uk)
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I have to admit, one of my first emotional responses was anger. I want vengeance. When will we see the day the bullies, abusers, murderers, and their enablers receive justice?
Not civilized "justice" in court rooms, on pieces of paper, with well-dressed men and women arguing politely over legal arcana.
Blood for blood. There should be a mortal fear that if they harm one hair on our heads, something worse will happen to them by far.
Don't tell me this won't bring anyone back. Don't tell me to be better than our enemies. If you will assault someone over their skin color, gender, sexual orientation, you don't deserve the breath of life.
The problem with mob justice is lack of due process. It frequency gets the wrong person as it can't be reasoned with.
The problem with mob justice is that it can be leveraged directly in to fascism. This is exactly what happened with the French Revolution and the Soviet one. In both cases valid anger against oppression was directed in to paranoia that allowed for the reestablishment of an authoritarian order instead of liberation. Anger is foolish and easily manipulated. That's why it's the only emotion the right wants anyone to experience. That's why it's the only emotion patriarchy allows men to express.
Anger is good for destroying things. Some things need to be destroyed. But those things that need to be destroyed are systems, not people.
Anger is activating and should absolutely drive you to action, but the action you take shouldn't also be decided by the anger. Let anger wake you up, and compassion guide the action you take.
History repeats itself, at least most of the time. That's why we should learn from the past because humans haven't changed that much in the way we think under certain circumstances.
No, I'm sorry, if a person was bullied for a year, that was the time for "due process" to protect them and society by preventing further harm. Now it is too late.
They caused someone to die by their violent actions, I am fully in favor of violent retaliation here, and as I said not looking to be convinced otherwise.
There are some things our society gets right, and some things it gets wrong. Passivity in the face of violence is a mistake IMO.
It's never too late for justice to be done. Though more of it has to done the later it is left. No one is talking passivity here. Everyone wants something done this time and done sooner next time.
Mob justice is not justice at all.
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Yes it is
Anarchy doesn't work.
Anarchy was never mentioned.
That is mob rule. It's not the rule of law.
That is not what mob rule is, and this literally has nothing to do with government
Mob rule is the breakdown of law and order. Which a failing of governance.
You mean like we have now with psychotic and treasonous christofascists trying to destroy freedom while you complain about "law and order"?
You have never existed in the real world, buddy
Freedom doesn't exist without law and order. Mobs lynch wrong people as often as not. It's why the legal system should be above politics. It amazes me America has politically appointed judges. The judiciary should be separate from, and independent of, the government. If the legal system doesn't work, law and order can break down and you get anarchy.
Hey you're starting to get it!
Then as long as we agree anarchy is bad we basically are agreeing.
Anarchy is indeed bad. Unfortunately you don't seem to grasp what anarchy is. Hint: it's not street justice.
Street "justice" is a break down of law and order. No one is accountable for the mob and is not held to any rules. How is that an outbreak of anarchy?
You really are desperate to defend fascists, aren't you?
Really not, screw them, but with a functioning justice system. Mob justice is no justice at all.
Your "law and order":
This Black History Month remember human trafficking was legal. Slavery was legal. Jim Crow was legal. US Govt paying reparations to white enslavers but not to the enslaved was legal. Prison slavery still IS legal.
Do not let legality & power be a measure of morality & justice. -Qasim Rashid
Law isn't perfect, and must constantly be challenged, but law based democracy is the best society humans have come up with. Plenty of bad law, for example, the war on drugs is stupid, like prohibition alcohol was. But mob lynching can do be part of any justice system.
You sound like a guy who'd be trying to reason with Nazi Stormtroopers as they were shoving you into the boxcar. No great injustices were ever solved through nonviolent means. None.Power does not abdicate itself because you begged for it to.
The Nazi haven't taken over law yet. In the UK at least, they are going to be losing a lot of power next election. The US is looking screwed. As always, I'm glad I don't live there.
Do you know how many times we heard that they were gonne lose the next election?...or that they couldn't possibly pass such a bill here? UK is at even greater risk from what I gather.
Even they think they are going to lose the election. They are so far behind in the polls, both opinion and by-elections, it will take quite an event to change things.
Yeah, and if you remove justice by due process by installing fascist bigots in all positions of the judicial system, then all you're left with is mob justice. And we ought to be angry about that too.
It's a social contract thing. Conservatives insist on being granted all of the benefits you get by signing an accord with the rest of us, but then act as though they are exempt from it's requirements.
As far as I'm concerned, they aren't covered by the agreement anymore, and should be deprived of any protection offered by it.