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'I Think We Should Kill 'Em All,' GOP Rep. Andy Ogles Says of Palestinians in Gaza
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No, they are not all being killed. There are about 2 million innocent people in the entire Strip. Death figures according to the Gazan Health Ministry are around 30,000 currently.
It's not impossible though, it's been attempted before in history, by ethno-nationalist asshats just like Netanyahu's supporters.
This can get much worse. Many zealots want it worse.
Just because we're not yet at MegaGenocide™ package doesn't mean much, most of Gaza is rubble now. That two million people have pretty much nowhere to return to. Israel wanted ethnic cleansing (as they have explicitly stated time and time again, Zionism is a fascist ideology) and they're getting it
I don't disagree. Just realize, many, many more people can die. Netanyahu is a criminal, propped up by these ethno-nationalists. He doesn't care.
We're all very aware the potential for greater loss of life exists.
Bibi is also propped up by Biden’s unwavering support. The UN’s ceasefire resolution has been blocked 3 times by the US. Unchecked Zionism could easily lead to the catastrophic death tolls you refer to, as if 30k innocent civilians isn’t already beyond abhorrent. Biden is the most Zionist president in US history.
Try floating a UN resolution that isn't just calling for a cease fire, and actually has some enforcement mechanism. That might be worth a look.
Without a ceasefire, it isn’t possible for medical personnel to treat the 10s of thousands of sick, injured, and starving. IDF forces are blowing up ambulances trying to help.
Without a ceasefire, critical humanitarian aid such as food, water, and medical supplies cannot be delivered. IDF forces are blowing up the delivery trucks even if they travel along so called safe and authorized corridors.
Without a ceasefire, Israeli hostages held by hamas will continue to perish instead of get rescued. IDF forces brutal bombing campaign affects them just as much as Palestinian civilians.
To demand anything less than a ceasefire is, at this point, to betray your racism and disregard for Arab lives.
To suggest that the US isn’t also blocking UN efforts to send peacekeeping troops to monitor for and prevent war crimes being committed on a daily basis shows me you’re very ignorant, or extremely malicious. No amount of dead children could change your mind, and for those like Bibi, no amount of dead children will ever be enough.
A ceasefire is only a mandatory first step. Israel must end the occupation. Palestine belongs to Palestinians.
Yes, so, a ceasefire resolution that makes one happen somehow. Instead of just saying "please cease fire now, but if you refuse then nothing happens". Which is all we've gotten so far.
Could you elaborate on how you would amend a ceasefire resolution to accomplish the necessary goal of a ceasefire in the current political environment?
I suspect we’ll stop at nothing, due to Bibi’s bloodlust and American desire to funnel taxpayer dollars to defense contractors who are arming the Israelis. What do you propose could change this equation to bring about peace?
How about a one week time window before consequences kick in, starting with mild economic sanctions and slowly scaling up over time until a ceasefire is reached?
I see what you’re getting at. Ramping up consequences via sanctions would be a great place to start!
I’d hope one of the first methods of doing this would be to cut off military aid for Israel…they’ve been getting ~$4bn/year from America for something like 40 years now, and this seems like an opportune time to stop funding them.
It's actually not, since they are a military ally, and in a war. If we stab them in the back mid-war, that makes our alliances worth less.
This is the big reason we keep vetoing the ones that are only words. Weakens our alliances, and for nothing except some shame. When Netanyahu is shameless.
But, if there was a mechanism, it might be worth it.
Genocides usually have a threshold of a few thousand. Is your point, that 30,000 dead civilians that were killed by indiscriminate bombing campaigns by the country with the best military intel on Earth, is not that distasteful a number?
No, that is not my point. My point is that any assumption that our own American ethno-nationalists cannot make the Gazan situation dramatically worse is misplaced. It can get so, so much worse. It can potentially fully succeed.
We have American people that advocate for genocide too, you know. And when they say it, they're thinking the Holocaust, not a few thousand. They're not pretending, or playing around.
"They're not all dead yet it's not a genocide."
You. That's you. Stop literally excusing an ongoing genocide. Fucking pathetic.
No one said it's not a genocide. It's a genocide. More people will die under Trump. This is a worse outcome.