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Mercedes-Benz scales back electric ambitions as EV pessimism grows
(arstechnica.com)
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How about you make one that doesn’t cost 30k more than a normal car… gees.
You make an excellent point!
I expect electric will soon be much cheaper than gas cars. Battery prices are still falling, despite the demand outpacing supply. Lithium refineries and mines are in the works and should be online in 5 years.
More importantly, electric cars are much simpler than gas cars. Anyone saying otherwise has no appreciation for the genius behind modern motors, transmissions, traction control and exhaust systems. There are an order of magnitude the number of moving parts in a combustion engine than an electric motor.
The price is higher because of the still-young supply chain for batteries and the infantile production lines for EVs.
It will become a subscription business with EULA.
It should really replace this petrol powered junk but this is what ultimately happens with such suits in charge. Do you think people will choose better? How many Fairphones or Linux desktops have you seen in real life? They choose slavery.
Speaking of slavery, China does make better cars with great price. I just wonder how many gigabyte per month these cars send to China? So it's either future Mercedes car with Apple carOS coming with subscription or Chinese spycar. Make your choice.
Or choose community/cycle transport, something better fit to 2024.
That is definitely where the corporations are trying to push everyone, but that has nothing to do with electric powertrain cars and everything to do with capitalism powered enshittification.
I do know one person that uses their fairphone to access their self-hosted services on their raspberry pi and uses their Linux daily driver to make money and browse the web.
They also encourage people to reject surveillence capitalism, to do what they can for our ecosystem and to join the fediverse to help stop the slide into the new feudalism.
"It's all nothing until it's everything. Starting where I am, doing what I can." -Knower
Their EV is about $8k more than a similar MB ICE SUV. Seems to be they just want to keep making easy money off innovating pay walls for remote start.
Have you not seen what geely are doing?
I haven't. Whatre they doing?
I haven't. Whatre they doing?
Probably because they are far more complicated than a regular car and have expensive batteries with precious metals? Oh and we haven't been mass producing them for 100 years either.
An EV is on all fronts more simple. It’s the reason so many new car companies are being started.
It absolutely has an upfront cost to design and ramp up production though.
Bro it's just a battery, some motors, a computer, an IO system, and some brakes. An amateur with money and free time could rip the guts out of a traditional car and make it fully electric by following an online tutorial.
No. No, they are not more complicated.
You can learn to build your own brushless motor on YouTube that's close to as good as anything the major manufacturers are using. You'd need a whole machine shop to build an ICE, and it's not going to be nearly as good as a crate engine from a company that dumped billions of dollars into R&D.
Battery chemistry is complicated, but you can buy the modules and build a pack yourself. There's quite a bit of safety knowledge that goes into this so you don't burn your house down, but it's all out there.
Even if you bought all the major components and dropped them into a rolling chassis, an EV would be significantly easier to build than an ICE. It's not even close.