-22
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 24 Feb 2024
-22 points (34.3% liked)
politics
19088 readers
1627 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
No, actually I'm going to blame Israel, and specifically Netanyahu and his settler and genocidal fans.
Biden is between a rock and a hard place, no answer he chooses is actually ideal. That just happens sometimes in real life, which is not always easy. Sometimes every answer has some bad consequences.
I fail to see how Israel or Netanyahu has any leverage over the USA to simply not veto a UN resolution that all other Western countries either support or abstain on.
A US vote against (without veto) or an abstention is entirely within his power to do.
Also, sidestepping Congress to deliver military aid to Israel is also not something that can be blamed on anyone else than Biden.
I blame Israel because they're the ones doing the killing. People like to point at us "enabling them", and don't get me wrong, I do not approve of the weapon shipments anymore. However, I am aware that if we cut them off, or if we passed the UN resolutions, the killing would not stop.
You do not need thousand pound bombs and 155mm artillery ammo to kill civilians, there are many, many ways to do that, most being even more brutal and indiscriminate.
The UN resolutions so far have been empty words. They "call for" a ceasefire, without actually putting anything in place to force one. Netanyahu is not going to listen to UN finger-wagging, so these would decrease what little leverage we have over Netanyahu without stopping the killing.
All the proposed "solutions" so far would simply remove US culpability, we would be less guilty. However, they would not actually save Gazan lives. Only an actual, enforced cease fire can do that. For that, you have to convince Netanyahu to stop. Somehow. Any ideas on how to actually do that?
That seems to be the central point your argument hinges on. Any actual evidence for that? Because they trade with more than just the US and Europe. India and Israel have ties, just as one example. They also have domestic military manufacturing and a robust tech industry. Their tanks are not our Abrams for instance, they use their own, called Merkavas.
Otherwise your belief that the US can just make them stop seems to be based on just a hunch, or maybe something someone told you, or wishful thinking or something. I don't see the reality of it, beyond what certain propagandists say.
I think sanctions are the exact answer, that's reasonable.
If all your BDS is aimed at the US and Europe though, you're not actually stopping Israel. You're just attacking the west. Which is fine, people can support that if they want. But it's not saving Gazans unless you're pressuring other Israeli trading partners too.
We're actually doing something to save Gazan lives, even if it's behind-the-scenes, and complicated. Not just empty words in the UN, which implemented sanctions against South Africa, I'll remind you, not some empty, toothless "please end apartheid, k thx bye".
I just believe in results, and I don't fall for empty political stunts under the guise of "first steps". Netanyahu believes in power. So, power is what needs to be used against him. Economic leverage should be enough. Empty words and "first steps" are crap though. Bullshit. Hogwash. Political stunts to fool people, from the same countries that refuse to accept Palestinian refugees. We do accept some, by the way, barely any at all, but at least we take some.
Biden chose to increase money and weapons to Israel, he is to blame. It's time to abandon anyone advancing war.