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Gretchen Whitmer responds to calls by some Democrats to vote ‘uncommitted’ in Michigan’s primary on Tuesday

Gretchen Whitmer, the Michigan governor, pushed back on calls to not vote for Joe Biden over his handling of the Israel-Gaza conflict, saying on Sunday that could help Trump get re-elected.

“It’s important not to lose sight of the fact that any vote that’s not cast for Joe Biden supports a second Trump term,” she said on Sunday during an interview on CNN’s State of the Union. “A second Trump term would be devastating. Not just on fundamental rights, not just on our democracy here at home, but also when it comes to foreign policy. This was a man who promoted a Muslim ban.”

Whitmer, who is a co-chair of Biden’s 2024 campaign, also said she wasn’t sure what to expect when it came to the protest vote.

Rashida Tlaib, a Democrat who is the only Palestinian-American serving in Congress, urged Democrats last week to vote “uncommitted” in Michigan’s 27 February primary.

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[-] christian@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Is being noble on Gaza worth risking Gaza being obliterated by Trump and the GOP?

I'm going to ignore the implication that "being noble on Gaza" is actually more risky for him and just assume that's true. What the fuck kind of question is this?? Biden should absolutely change course to being noble on Gaza. Yes it is worth the risk, arguing that he shouldn't take that risk is saying you're okay with continuing to sacrifice Palestinian lives over the coming months if it means a better chance of beating Trump and saving them from a theoretical worse fate.

Sure, there's a chance Biden will lose the election anyway, but I'm sure they're capable of understanding how necessary their sacrifice was. I actually kind of hope that you're one of the people who thinks we all should support Israel and that you're making a bad attempt to play sympathetic here, because this this is an absolutely ludicrous contortion to justify continuing to fund a genocide.

No one makes the decision to continue funding the destruction of a people out of concern for what those people might go through if you don't. Total horseshit.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago

Is being noble on Gaza worth risking Gaza being obliterated by Trump and the GOP?

I was talking about the voters, not Biden.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Because you expect one to change and not the other.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

They always want to blame the voters. Its always the voters fault.

Its our fault for failing democracy. Not the candidates fault for betraying it.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -2 points 9 months ago

Yes, I do.

I was contributing to Liz Warren and Bernie in 2019.

Never got one person knocking on my door to see if I needed a ride to the polls.

Read up on the Moral Majority and Jerry Falwell. Falwell went to the grassroots of the GOP and got his agenda enshrined because his people worked the system.

The Left had four years to get Bernie nominated. The Left failed Bernie and me.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Congrats for being literally the problem.

Maybe hold your representatives accountable, rather than getting angry at other people having the audacity to do what you refuse to do.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -2 points 9 months ago

So, I'm the problem because I donated to Bernie?

Or because I'd rather have Biden have a big win over Trump?

Or because I actually put out a roadmap the Left could use?

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

No. You're the problem cause you literally ignore what we were just talking about, because its inconvenient for whatever ridiculous complex you have going on, so instead you are arguing against a completely made up comment that no one made.

You're the problem because you have fallen into the right wing mindset of blind worship and admiration, of turning against anyone who dare to utter a criticism, no matter how factual and valid, against dear leader.

Which leads one to ask if you are actually this fucking obtuse, or if you're just here saying your stupid shit just to troll.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

The Right went out and mobilized effective grassroots organizations that got out the vote and stood firm.

The Left didn't do that.

Getting mad at me isn't going to change anything.

Left voters had four years to make sure Bernie got the nomination. They failed.

Back in the day, the SDS could organize a march on Washington with mimeograph machines and payphone.

Finally, at this point, the choice is Trump and the GOP, who have literally called for the deaths of all Palestinians, and Biden, who hasn't.

If Biden wins in November, I'll be able to vote for someone else in 2028.

If Trump wins, I will probably never be allowed to vote again.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Okay now you're not even a troll, You're just a poorly programmed bot if you're now just copy and pasting irrelevant responses.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

Because I know I'm never going to agree with any politician 100% ever.

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