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In a surprise move, an Illinois judge has removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s ballot based on the 14th Amendment’s so-called “insurrectionist ban.”

The decision is paused, giving Trump a short period of time to appeal.

Wednesday’s unexpected decision comes as a similar anti-Trump challenge from Colorado is pending before the US Supreme Court, which is widely expected to reject arguments that Trump is barred from office.

Cook County Circuit Judge Tracie Porter heavily relied on the prior finding by the Colorado Supreme Court, calling Colorado’s “rationale compelling.”

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[-] Xenny@lemmy.world 103 points 9 months ago

We literally didn't hang most of the leaders of the Confederacy after the civil war. We just gave them back their land and citizenship. Big mistake

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

Compassion should not seen as a weakness after war. Traditionally it make long term allies. This time it did not work out. But many other times it has.

[-] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

See modern Germany, agreed. See post WWI for the wrong way to treat the enemy afterwards

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 29 points 9 months ago

There was at least an attempt to denazify Germany, in the South the racist could just carry on.

[-] Gumbyyy@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Yes but after WW2 we had the Nuremburg trials and the Nazi leaders were hanged. Show compassion to the society as a whole, but the leaders must still be held accountable in these situations.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

A conservative is not capable of entering into a negotiation in good faith.

Compassion at the end of the civil war was the wrong move. A conservative will always see compassion as weakness to exploit. They truly are unable to perceive compassion as anything other than a weakness. That is just who they are at their core.

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 5 points 9 months ago

Fun fact, the last person drawing a pension from the Civil War died in 2020.

[-] Diotima@kbin.social -3 points 9 months ago

Interesting take, but such an absolutist stance suggests that you also see compassion as a weakness. Fact is, as evil as the GOP may now be... they are not the whole of conservative thought.

If you want to see an example of where your desired approach leads, look at post WW I Germany and what Europe's need for vengeance gave birth to.

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

I agree and I think it's important to review why that didn't work, because I think it's relevant today.

Under normal circumstances, I would agree that compassion is the best course of action. However the Confederacy largely left the union and then went to war over the ability to own people, claiming it was a "right". There was a whole world doing away with the practice, with abolitionists saying their peace for a long time up until war broke out. And rather than change tact, and do away with the inherently immoral practice of slavery, these guys doubled-down. To me, that's exactly the kind of situation where you must withhold compassion, because it demonstrates both a track record and a potential future willingness to break the social contract.

[-] Damdy@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

A lot of Americans seem to think their civil war was a long time ago. It was pretty recent, it may work out better soon.

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Better late than never

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

We really should have hanged Bobby Lee

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Yep. Should have burned their wealth into the ground and only then let them back in.

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