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Just because some form of argument can be used to try and justify violence does not mean it is a bad argument.
It does, but it doesn't seem to be enough.
This has been thrown around as some kind of fact for a long time, especially with the protests of the "Letzte Generation" in germany, a specifically non-violent protest group, that blockaded highways. I have never seen convincing data that this protest has affected the populations position on climate policy. There was broad disagreement with their form of protest and the two get mixed up in discussions a lot.
doing more extreme protests only work if you are a respected group like lets say farmers even they don't use violence. if you do more extreme protests when you are not respected at all and have not built up that respect doing extreme protests will only undermine you. and definitely if you look like a spoiled brat having a tether tantrum and then take the whole not having respect to begin with thing that is what kills a movement. that is why i very dislike groups like stop oil they undermine there own cause. and make it worse for everybody wanting to do more serious work.
I really don't know why you keep bringing this strawman up. It is not what my point is about.
The serious work alone will not convince the people either. The loud protests give a voice to the results of the serious work that would otherwise stay unheard.
you know the whole civility is bad thing. serious work by serious groups. loud protest only have impact if the people or groups doing them are taken seriously if not and people only see them as annoyances. your loud protests are meaningless because the whole point is that people listen to you. and if this happens your movement is dead.