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Biden calls for 'immediate ceasefire' in Gaza
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You have zero understanding of cause and effect or you are looking at this conflict through a pinhole. Stop supporting and lapping up the propaganda of genocidal settler-colonialists like an useful idiot. Learn history and have some morals.
"Genocidal settler-colonialists" sounds like you've been lapping enough propoganda for the both of us.
I'm aware of the long history of two way violence. I'm aware that even if Israel stopped the violence now and forever, Hamas is still an ideology that exists as antithetical to democracy and peace. They'll still be stoning people to death. They'll still have zero elections. And whatever, that's wildly popular in Gaza. But when they leave Gaza and start doing international terrorism, accepting money and weapons from Iran and North Korea, that's not being very neighborly and I'm sorry but Hamas needs to go. They have no right to be terrorists. They can practice nok violent resistance if their lives are important to them. If not...
You're not aware of the history because you choose not to
Sorry I spoke too soon on your post. Should have kept reading. Applaud the effort toward fairness.
Here's a couple more for you;
Apartheid:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4343950
https://www.jstor.org/stable/41575857
Hamas Lawfare:
https://sites.duke.edu/lawfire/2023/10/15/five-ideas-to-counter-hamas-lawfare-strategy-and-why/
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/international/213546-asymmetries-and-proportionalities/
https://lieber.westpoint.edu/attacking-hamas-part-i-context/
https://lieber.westpoint.edu/idf-hamas-duty-to-warn/
https://www.justsecurity.org/89489/expert-guidance-law-of-armed-conflict-in-the-israel-hamas-war/
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/214077887.pdf
The second link you posted is a study by a Zionist think tank lobbyist called Robbie Sabel
Yes... totally unbiased and free of emotion!
Is any article you read not written by some propaganda arm of the Israeli government?
The first paper you linked to basically makes the argument and it's not an apartheid system because Gazans are not citizens of Israel... never stopping for a moment to wonder how they ended up refugees in Gaza instead of citizens of Palestine...
Do you not understand that Israel stole land from Palestinians using law, using force, and using ethnic cleansing? Do you not understand that Gazans SHOULD be citizens and have full rights and tjat denying them this while also building a gisnt siege wall around a little strip is the apartheid part, right?
That paper sounds like it was written by a stinky slithering lying lawyer who thinks this "loophole" cancels human rights for Palestinians. It ignores how the West Bank is made to shrink under zones.
And also, Palestinian citizens of Israel do have it shit.
Btw turns out the two people who wrote the paper also wrote this one: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4087694
This is the kind of intellectual smut that you read... lawyers who want to make it legal to steal land from the native population.
Both those 'papers' on apartheid don't consider any of the overwhelming evidence brought forth by the Reports by three Major Human Rights Organizations, and completely ignore the International Law of the Crimes of Apartheid laid out by International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD), the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (Apartheid Convention) and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Rome Statute).
This "Lawfare" argument requires being unaware of the history of Zionism as Settler Colonialism, The History of Israeli Occupation, and the abhorrent material conditions Palestinians as subject to on a daily basis due to the Apartheid. It hinges on the premise of human shields. In bad faith of course, as it ignores all IDF use of Human shields and assumes all Hamas as a given despite any verified evidence. It's a way for US State Department Propaganda to justify its military and international support of Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign and genocide.
When it comes to human shields, the only independent verification back in 2014 (Amnesty link) is of Weapons (not rockets) hidden at a vacant school, situated btwn 2 UNRWA schools housing displaced people, by a Palestinian armed group.
The Guardian journalists had encountered a couple individuals in 2014 too.
HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009
Amnesty on Hamas War Crimes 2023
Yet none of those come remotely close to making hospitals and schools bombing targets. Even if all the IDF claims were true, that does not exempt those hospitals and schools as protected under international law.
While we're on the subject, let's look at how the IDF uses Human Shields including Children (2013 Report)
This kind of apologia for Israel, where you blame the violence imposed on the Palestinians by their occupiers to be the fault of the Palestinians, shows you don't genuinely care about resolving the conflict or bringing an end to the violence. Whether you know it or not; you're justifing the brutal occupation, the apartheid, the martial law, the military courts, the theft and extortion of water, the exploitation of Palestinians as a workforce without rights, the settler violence, the deprivation of human rights for Palestinians, the destruction of schools, the destruction of hospitals, the destruction of homes, the starvation of children, the execution of women and children, the inhuman torture and abuse of Palestinians and yes even children in Israeli prisons. You don't see Palestinians as human when you justify all this, that's the point of this dehumanizing rhetoric, to justify the human rights abuses and destruction of Palestinians. If you do see palestinians as human, the same as Israelis or anyone else. It's completely clear that this shit is completely unacceptable, yet it's been the reality for decades and decades.
Okay I'm obviously not going to read all this and click all these links, but what the hell do you mean by this:
Look at your television right now and you can see with your own eyes Hamas using entire cities as human shields.
Plenty of recent evidence of tunnels under cities and of Hamas directing people to ignore evacuating warnings.
How can you explain your double standard on this if it's not anti-semitism?
I'll start giving a shit what happens to Hamas when they reinstate elections, release all the hostages, and stop taking money from Iran and North Korea to kill Jews. Or maybe if they start following any international law: they can start by wearing uniforms and not purposefully targeting civilians, at a minimum. Until then, they are enemy combatants and not entitled to equal rights under the law.
And that's another reason why it's not apartheid, as cited by the authors of my first two links. If you want to say Israel is Apartheid, your argument is limited to its statutory laws that apply to Israeli citizens, not to non citizens; every country discriminates against non citizens and it's not a war crime. But suddenly with Israel it's a war crime? How do you explain your double standard on this if it's not anti-semitism?
Sounds like denial, this is a war on children by Israel.
If you want to know the answers to those questions, read the first few pages of the Amnesty International Report. It's answered there in detail.
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Children always make up a huge chunk of civilian casualties in war. Why is it any surprise it's absurdly high when Hamas is using entire cities as human shields?
‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza
Yeah the people in Gaza lie constantly about what happens. None of them are ever members of Hamas. Nobody ever saw anyone using tunnels. Nobody knows who is launching the rockets.
Yeah the unarmed families and the houses, it's horrible. Unfortunately, digging tunnels under your house and using them to launch terror attacks for decades on end is as good as packing your family into the car and driving them right into a war zone. Who would do that? Hamas members and loyalists. They call it martyrdom. They literally stand on the roof of buildings after being warning of an incoming airstrike, trying to get a pension.
You have now lost your mind /:
Palestinians have been terrorized for generations by Israel under occupation and apartheid. Armed resistance groups don't pop into existence for no reason. You don't understand the history or meaning of a Martyr in Palestine. Literally anyone who dies at the hands of the Israeli Occupying Force is considered a Martyr. You are being delusional and racist if you think Palestinian people including women and children want to die. They have hopes and dreams like anyone else, you're doing dehumanizing rhetoric. Palestinians are being exterminated in Gaza every day, and people like you are defending it without a second guess.
Their hopes and dreams of putting terrorists in charge, ending all elections, killing all Jews, and stoning all infidels to death. Real cool stuff you're defending!
They're talking about Palestinians :/
Yeah, I think you are actually racist
You justify apartheid and genocide because you make things up about Palestinians? Wow you are just incredibly racist.
Humanitarian groups, including UNICEF, are calling for an immediate end to the unrelenting violence in Gaza and the unconditional release of all hostages. Hear what the children of Gaza, caught in a catastrophic situation, have to say.
"I hope for a ceasefire and I dream of a future where I can return to school much sooner," said Maryam.
“My dream is to become a nurse, and I hope the war will end soon," said 8-year-old Salwa.
Eight-year-old Mohammed lost all his toys when his home was destroyed in an airstrike. "I wish for a ceasefire," he said.
"I lost my house and my two brothers," said Wafaa. "I want to return to our house, even though the chances are that we will never get back, and we will never be whole again, as everyone is losing their loved ones."
"I want this war to reach an end," said 14-year-old Ahmad. "I hate waiting in lines all day — water, bread, drinking water. My dream was to become a doctor but now I'm dreaming of staying alive."
“I never imagined that I would be sitting at my school desk as a displaced boy," said 10-year-old Ahmad. "I used to love my school and my classes ... I don’t know if I would still love my school again after all of this.”
Outside a Gaza City bakery, 10-year-old Kenan said, "I've been waiting in this endless line since 6 a.m. just to bring some bread home for the day. Sometimes, I don't get back to my family until five or six hours later. I miss my school the most — my only dream now is to put an end to this war and for the world to send us bread.”
“The only thing I want to share is love to the entire world," said 11-year-old Amal. "I want them to know and to understand that we are kids like any other kid on this earth.”
That was months ago. How many of these children do you think have died while you've been dehumanizing them and defending Israel?
Yeah. It's honestly sad. It can be difficult to break through the propaganda if you don't have a starting point, but to willfully ignore all these sources in favor of dehumanization...
I'm glad more people are failing to fall for it, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine can't be ignored any longer
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Don't you see how killing 30,000 is not acceptable just because more died in a bigger genocide? Don't you see how hypocritical it is to believe in "Never again" but fall short of applying it?
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I will tell the repressed how to protest my oppression and they will be grateful for the chance for me to ignore them.
Man, yeah that always works out.