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I am forced to use some proprietary software at work. The software lets users export custom functionalities. You can then share these to other users. I have made some that are pretty simple, but greatly enhance the use of the application using its native tooling.

I'd like to share mine under some sort of open source licence rather than being ambiguous. Mostly to spread awareness of the concept of open source which is at approximately 0% right now.

What are the considerations here? Can I use the GPL or is it inherently out of compliance since you need a proprietary software to run it?

The employer doesn't claim any intellectual property rights over my work product. I'm not able to find anywhere that the proprietary vendor does either. But I haven't gone through everything with a fine tooth comb. What language would I be looking for?

Advice appreciated. Obviously it can only be general as many details are missing. I just don't understand the details of licences very well.

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[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

First off, IANAL. Not legal advice. Consult with a lawyer or at very least some place like the Software Freedom Conservancy if you want legal advice.

If you've got an employer who is willing to let you own the copyright on stuff you write as part of your job, that's pretty awesome. But if you don't have that in writing, it's probably still risky to move forward under the assumption that you own the copyright. If you haven't specifically had a conversation with your employer about this, I'd definitely say you need to before you conclude you're in the clear on that score.

But assuming you've got all of those i's dotted and t's crossed, the next question is "where do you live?" If you're in the U.S. this court case is probably relevant and (IANAL!) probably weighs in your favor.

[-] linuxPIPEpower@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago

my industry is so unaware of this sort of thing that it would literally never occur to anyone to include it in a contract or even policies. i've never heard of it being discussed.

I am not worried about personal legal problems. I intend to distribute for free to other people doing similar jobs who are not competitors. I guess the worst is that someone could make me change it or something? I would probably never be in a position to enforce anyway.

It is primarily an educational intervention for other users. So I don't want to do it wrongly enough that it causes confusion.

[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

(Did I mention IANAL?)

Yeah, but at least in the U.S., the rules are that if you made something subject to copyright protections as part of your job, absent any specific agreement between you and your employer, it's "work for hire" and thus owned by your employer. That is, it doesn't require any specific agreement/contract to make it your employer's. It requires a specific agreement to make it yours and not your employer's.

(Unless you didn't write the "custom functionalities" as part of your job, which can be pretty dicey. If you did it during off hours but using your employer's computer, for instance, it becomes a difficult question to answer whether you wrote them specifically as part of your job. Even if you did it during off hours and on your own hardware with your own license for the proprietary software in question, it'd be difficut to decide whether it was work for hire or not.)

So, if you want to do things the right way, that involves making an agreement with your employer that you own the copyright on the code in question. If you moved forward with distributing the software you wrote without such an agreement that wouldn't be "doing things the right way." That would be "hoping you don't get caught." I don't think there'd really be any confusion, really, since it's pretty cut-and-dried that unless you've discussed this with your employer and made an agreement, you clearly don't have the right to distribute this software under any license (open source or otherwise.)

Now, even the step of making such an agreement would be kindof complex. Assuming your employer was open to the idea, you might assume you could make a contract transferring ownership of the work to you, but contracts require "consideration", meaning both parties (you and your employer) would have to benefit from it. You could potentially argue that by open sourcing it, your employer has the chance of benefitting from voluntary contributions by a community of Open Source developers, and that could likely (IANAL) fulfill the consideration requirement.

Another option, and I'm thinking probably the most straightforward, would be for your employer to retain the copyright and grant you permission (and I think it'd be good to get that permission in writing, though it wouldn't have to be on paper; an email would be fine, but you'd probably want to forward it to an email address you own and would retain if you ever left the company) to publish it as an open source project (and I believe the GPL would be fine for this) on their behalf as part of your job. Lots of companies do this. Netflix for instance.

And, again, IANAL and this isn't legal advice. I've done some research and I'm interested in these topics, but I'm not an expert and you'll get a lot more mileage from consulting a lawyer.

[-] linuxPIPEpower@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago

Thanks, great answer!

I couldn't possibly obtain access to this software any way except through the employer. They only sell it to people in the industry and it's too niche to pirate. It also only works in context of other stuff that would be impossible to reproduce.

I will think on it... I don't even know who would be able to make a decision like that on behalf of the employer and since it's unlikely it has ever come up before probably nobody does. I'd probably end up sitting in front of the Big Boss trying to explain what open source is and why I am spending their time on it and why a license means anything.

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