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A car is a privilege, not a right. Use public transport.
Not everyone lives in an area that provides public transport. You need to learn how to think outside your own bubble.
You can also walk.
You literally added nothing here. Walking miles to and from work is also not always an option. My point still stands.
What point? A car is a privilege, not a right. If you can't afford it - you walk.
Yeah, sadly this isn't an option for everyone. Simply put, I work 65km from where I live, and PT just isn't an option for the locations I work.
This is not about the consumer - don't let big business' shady tricks gull you into believing otherwise. The stark reality is that successive governments haven't done anywhere near enough to curb industrial pollution or drive emissions reduction.
Consumers will buy whatever the market offers them. We're the end result - not the driver.
What the world really needs is a huge carbon tax which will make everything reflect its true price. That would make cars a lot more expensive.
Also cars should pay for all the space they take up on high value land and the damage they do to the streets. Which would make them ever more expensive.
Cars are ridiculously subsidised
What a stupid comment. You clearly didn't read the community name, or if you did, you evidently have never even poked around australia on a map.
Let me show you a couple of examples of why your comment is stupid. Let's take a person living in Berkshire Park on the outskirts of Syney. The only place they could find work was in Springwood — a 30-minute drive away. This becomes 2 and a half hours by public transport.
Or somebody in Esperance, WA, who wants to see their family over in Bunbury (a 7 hour drive away). This becomes a 25 hour public transport trip, except on one day of the week when it's only 23.
Obviously these are specific examples I chose to prove a point, but you'll see this on most trips, even in major cities.
Going from Roxburgh Park to Epping (both in Melbourne - the second largest city) takes 20 minutes by car, or an hour and 10 by public transport
If you lived in St Albans and worked at a warehouse in Truganina (an Industrial area), that'd be a 20 minute drive or an hour and a half by public transport
If you lived in West Moonah and had to get to Rosny park, Hobart, thats a 20 minute drive or an hour by public transport
and none of these travel times include initial waiting time. this just assumes you arrive at the bus stop at the same time the bus leaves - even when the buses sometimes only run once a week
I don't hate public transport, and I usually just put up with the doubling or tripling of my travel times just to go by bus and train, but while your assumption that everybody can and should take public might work in parts of Europe, it just doesn't here in Australia. And implying that it does just makes you sound entitled, out of touch, and ignorant.
@Baku @Aux Totally agree that there are many places in Australia where public transport isn't up to scratch.
But Roxburgh Park to Epping ain't a good example. It's 23 minutes by bus.
Yes, you could catch a train all the way into the city and all the way out, but the 901 bus is quicker.
That is not what my maps showed, as per the screenshot.
It is what the PTV website shows.
And having caught that bus from Tullamarine to Epping, 23 minutes for the segment from Roxburgh Park station to Epping is about right. (Depending on traffic, of course.)
I see the problem. You put in the train stations, I did not. I put in the actual suburbs, and not their train stations.
You get similar results to what I showed if you put in the suburbs and not the train station.
Walk.
Walk 6 days from Esperance to Bunbury?
Get fucked.
Not always an option for folks for a myriad of reasons, the U.S. doesn't have the infrastructure for it like Europe.
They did. They had the greatest passenger rail system in the world.