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Missouri man fatally shoots his mother at home after mistaking her for intruder
(www.theguardian.com)
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While most gun owners are not insane nut jobs, the actual problem people are trying to point out is that everyone acts in poor judgement or overwhelming emotion sometimes. I might swear loudly at myself; someone having a loaded gun handy might end someone’s life. There’s a difference.
The other issue that people don’t talk enough about is the inherent conflict between keeping a deadly weapon secured and keeping one ready for defense.
I think the world might be better if we stopped pretending we're all exactly the same.
Thankfully, you must be wrong, or with 600,000,000+ guns for 300,000,000+ people we'd all already be dead.
But it’s not as simple as whether we’re all the same. Owning a deadly weapon means that anything going wrong potentially kills someone. Most of the time they didn’t deserve it.
You’re afraid of a threat that magnified by your fears and misperceptions. I’m afraid of your “self-defense” or your lack of securing your weapon.
Be different all you want, but it’s a problem when it kills innocent people. Where are their rights?
"Most of the time they didn't deserve it" eh?
Well, all gun deaths per year including accidents, murder, and suicide, hover around 60,000/yr.
However, even by our most conservative estimate, conservative in this case meaning only using verifiable police reports and completely discounting the most common type of armed defense: defensive display, Harvard has estimated "the good guy with a gun" being effective 100,000 x/yr.
Clearly we can see that 100,000 defensive gun uses is 40,000 more than 60,000. This indicates quite clearly that actually "most" of the time it is deserved, as "most" of the time by 40,000 it is self defense.
I really hate that I have to say this, but literally no u.
Well don't attempt to kill me or someone I care about in my presence, simple as. Think you can handle that? Should be pretty damn easy tbh.
Well don't make people leave them in the car to come into your store, the only time mine are less secure than I'd like are when the law requires it to be.
If a man is stabbed in the park do you feel guilty for having knives in the kitchen? Unless I'm the one who does the bad thing I will not feel responsible for it, I am not responsible for the actions of another sentient being.
They have them. Just because rape exists, do you think a woman has no right to her body? Similarly, just because murder exists, that doesn't mean the murderer wasn't trampling the murdered's rights, actually that's literally the exact reason murder is called "a crime." And the reason legal self defense is a thing, too, your right to self defense is to secure your right to life, specifically.
Not deserved, killed. You’re claiming that most of the time a gun is used someone is killed
Well, are we counting self defense (including injury but not death & death) to mean "killed" here? Because I'm claiming that most of the time a gun is used on another person* it is self defense, as per the numbers. And if someone is killed in self defense because they were threatening to kill the defender, yeah, kinda deserved it. Sucks it had to be that way and all, and deadly force is always a last resort, everyone prefers a peaceful outcome, but don't threaten to kill people, ya know?
*Actually most times a gun is used (well military probably, but other than that) it's at a shooting range to shoot paper, followed by hunting, USPSA, IDPA, Cowboy Action, Skeet (lol), Trap, sporting clays, etc. What's more I'll argue guns carried or staged for defense are "used" for such even if they never leave the holster. It is "in service" so to speak at those times, that is using it.
Yep, easy. I’ll try not to turn around in your driveway or knock on the door or live in range of stray bullets or be anywhere near whatever random kid finds your gun or in sight when you’re in a bad mood, or near anyone who steals it or whoever they sell it to, or in the same town when you’re nervous enough to decide that’s a good choice, or in the same park if you commit suicide m, or know any family or friend you might get pissed at or drink in front of, or near any store or government agency you thought gave you a bad deal, or anywhere in nature you think that rustling bush means a bear, or in any neighborhood where people make you nervous for any reason, etc
That guy got charged and convicted.
People get cinvicted for that all the time, despite Joe Biden's suggestion, that is illegal.
People get convicted of negligent homicide if they shoot a bystander (well if they die, ykwim, if not they're charged with something also bad)
Why are there kids in my house or pants? I do not consent to this.
or in sight when you’re in a bad mood,
Does "in a bad mood" mean "you're literally actively attempting to kill me?" No? Didn't think so.
Well yeah criminals are criminals, I wouldn't hang out with a gun theif either, first smart thing you've said.
Yeah criminals who buy stolen guns are also bad, good move
The fuck I look like I have the Killdozer in my pants? Jeez were you the guy who called me scared earlier? I'm not gonna check but if not he should get a load of you.
Why would I do that? There's better places, not to speak of the fact that I'm not suicidal. You projecting or something? 1-800-273-8255.
Does any of this sound like "attempts to kill you" to you, really? C'mon man you ok?
Also a crime, and you can't even carry in government buildings.
What the fuck are you doing spying on me through the bushes, anyway? I'll be honest I might have it at low ready for that, but you'd only get maced when I figured out you're just some pervert not a cougar (black bears around here, they keep to themselves, it's the mountain lions what get ya.)
When did they put "nervous neighborhoods" on the list of "death or great bodily injury?" I'm not seeing that on the list.
You should probably consult a lawyer and learn a bit about use of force laws before you talk about them, you don't really seem educated on the subject.