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Constructive dismissal isn't the same thing as being fired for cause, regardless of whether Amazon tries to lie about it.
I think you're really blowing this out of proportion as if this is the scary "permanent record" teachers used to warn you about in elementary school.
Explaining that they needed you to relocate and you weren't willing is a satisfactoy answer. Additionally there's no requirement that you put Amazon on your resume if it did come down to that. Frankly I don't think the new employer would really care what happened between you and some other corporation if you seem competent and they aren't going to check every reference on every single person that applies to a corporation with 100k+ employees to stop you from getting an interview first.
At this point every hiring manager out there is aware of Amazon's terrible workplace practices. Put on the resume don't say you got fired. When you get asked why you left, tell the truth of the situation. Some managers won't want you because if it sure, but the intelligent ones can see the tree through the forest and those are the places you want to work anyway.
It's sub optimal but that's what happens when you join a place like Amazon.
You just say “no. And then explain the actual situation in the interview.
And no engineering job I’ve ever applied for has had me fill out an “application”. That’s not a thing. And if some place weirdly has it, then send your resume somewhere else.
Exactly this. theres no reason to shoot yourself in the foot for something you had no control over
You mean you've never filled out one of those web forms asking like how many years of experience you have with X technology, what is your expected salary, when is your earliest start date, etc? When job hunting earlier this year I've found those to be incredibly common.
From first hand experience I can say I never submitted an application to work at one of these places. The hiring process was me submitting my resume, doing phone interviews, and then in-person interviews.
I didn't need to submit a CV when I submitted a resume, and my work eligibility was verified when I filled out an I-9 form after getting the job. Furthermore, in the context of the discussion, what does asking about citizenship or demographics reveal about whether you've been fired from Amazon?
You can be condescending and speculate all you like, but I've actually gone through this process and it isn't as you describe it to be.
I like how you keep insisting that you know more about my hiring process than I do even though you know absolutely nothing about me, where i work, or what was involved. You can keep shifting the goal posts with each new comment, but you're still totally off base and entirely too confident, to almost an absurdist degree, in your assumptions.
Nobody has said anything about "strategic hires" other than you, so spare me your irrelevant rant about these 'entitled employees' that you've entirely invented in your head.
Nobody is going to care that you wouldn't relocate for your job and they will never check this reference until after you've already been interviewed and had a chance to explain.
Have you ever been fired?
Lie. They lie to you, you lie to them. They're not the government. The worst they can do is fire you if they ever found out, which they won't.